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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    The title is evident. Who is the MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans today??
    Ehhh it's hard to say, because it's such a historical and cumulative thing.

    I guess I'd really blame Henry the Navigator, King of Portugal in the first half of the 1400's, for setting up that first Portuguese trading station in Africa.

    Really all went down hill for the Africans from there.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Ehhh it's hard to say, because it's such a historical and cumulative thing.

    I guess I'd really blame Henry the Navigator, King of Portugal in the first half of the 1400's, for setting up that first Portuguese trading station in Africa.

    Really all went down hill for the Africans from there.
    I blame the Africans that sold Africans they "Conquered and Owned" to Henry the Navigator. Truth is Africa had a slave trade even before Europeans arrived. Tribes typically enslaved the member of conquered tribes (at least their children and women) after they killed the men.

    So who woulda guessed Africans are to blame for their own slavery.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    I blame the Africans that sold Africans they "Conquered and Owned" to Henry the Navigator. Truth is Africa had a slave trade even before Europeans arrived. Tribes typically enslaved the member of conquered tribes (at least their children and women) after they killed the men.

    So who woulda guessed Africans are to blame for their own slavery.
    Oh, yeah, no argument there -- it's totally true, Africans had been enslaving each other for a long time before Europeans got there. Furthermore, the Arabs had been enslaving Africans and Europeans alike for centuries before the Europeans showed up in Africa.

    I'm just saying that Africa's fortunes really took a nose dive after Henry showed up. They should probably hate Portugal more than they do.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And you want people that are able to make more money and move to nicer areas to what? Not do so and live in a poorer area and send their kids to poor performing schools for some reason? Seriously? Why?
    Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.

    I'd also be for banning private schools. Gives the wealthy more incentive to make sure public schools are operating the way they should.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you mean white people who work hard move to areas which have nicer homes and better schools and those who cannot afford such areas cannot move there?
    I mean wealthy, often white, people who have never lived in the same area or gone to school with poor people and thus have no comprehension of what it means to be poor or, as is often the case, black, or what "hard work" gets you under those circumstances.

    "Hard work" is only one factor in success. The others are intellectual ability, which is largely an acquired trait through good education, and social connections. It is not difficult to see how segregating the poor in neighborhoods and schools frustrates their mobility, or how allowing wealthy people to insulate themselves in communities where all their children get the best educations and know everyone who has the power to get them the jobs they wants, privileges them irrespective of their "hard work."

    There is little to no social benefit to having rich people all live in the same neighborhood, never interacting with anyone else. I wouldn't advocate literally saying "you have to move here, you have to move there," but there are things that could be done to dis-incentivize that type of socially damaging behavior. Even just equalizing school-district funding and establishing programs designed to foster interactions between students and families in these various neighborhoods.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.
    The federal government getting out of education would be the best thing that could happen.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    The federal government getting out of education would be the best thing that could happen.
    Doesn't have to be at the federal level.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    Oh, yeah, no argument there -- it's totally true, Africans had been enslaving each other for a long time before Europeans got there. Furthermore, the Arabs had been enslaving Africans and Europeans alike for centuries before the Europeans showed up in Africa.

    I'm just saying that Africa's fortunes really took a nose dive after Henry showed up. They should probably hate Portugal more than they do.
    They still are enslaving each other as a matter of fact.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Equalizing educational funding across districts would be a good start.

    I'd also be for banning private schools. Gives the wealthy more incentive to make sure public schools are operating the way they should.
    I agree with the first but not the second. I would just modify the second to say that the wealthy have to pay more towards public schools whether or not their kids go there. That would get their attention and help out the nation as a whole.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Individuals are responsible for their own problems, whether those individuals be black, brown, red, white, or purple with bright pink polka dots.

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