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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Actually; all races have been both slaves and slavers at some point in history_

    So; if the world history of slavery were taken into account, all races would be accountable_
    Given enough time nearly every enslaved (or at least culturally obliterated) race is going to bounce back, depending I would say on the brutality of their treatment. Romans took people defeated in conquest as slaves, yet in time slaves could legally be freed and citizens in their own right, and of course they could simply buy their freedom. As their culture, language, race and Gods weren't really the issue (just that they weren't as handy with a catapult or on the battlefield) their enslavement wasn't felt so greatly down the generations. Other times it was less kind, such as the Jewish diaspora. Although Jews held their own with their reverence of education and professionally integrating into every country they moved to, it was because of the Diaspora that they were a frequently preyed upon people for the next two thousand years. What saved them in the end? I would say that as vicious as the Romans' vengeance on the Jews was, to my knowledge they didn't actually ban their God, names or language (the diaspora probably did a number on the integrity of their family structure for a while, though...I'm not sure). But it's been two millenia since the Diaspora, and seeing the long, slow climb back up that African Americans are making today it's clear that a 150 years since the end of slavery isn't long enough for the dust to settle. It's really not often in history that when a people are taken into slavery literally everything is stripped from them.

    As has been said earlier in the thread, different situations are different.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    So you have one - Rick Santorum who opposes all forms of birth control on religious grounds. And since Santorum is not in Congress, by my count that makes zero.

    And once again, Mother Jones, really?
    The point is these jack arses are helping to push such legislation through Congress.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The point is these jack arses are helping to push such legislation through Congress.
    You've proven no such thing. What bill has been proposed that would restrict birth control (or contraception if you will) in any way other than it being mandated in the ACA? Who are the sponsors of those bills?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    You've proven no such thing. What bill has been proposed that would restrict birth control (or contraception if you will) in any way other than it being mandated in the ACA? Who are the sponsors of those bills?
    There have been a number of "personhood" laws promoted for passage by the anti-choice side. Such laws would restrict contraception

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Given enough time nearly every enslaved (or at least culturally obliterated) race is going to bounce back, depending I would say on the brutality of their treatment. Romans took people defeated in conquest as slaves, yet in time slaves could legally be freed and citizens in their own right, and of course they could simply buy their freedom. As their culture, language, race and Gods weren't really the issue (just that they weren't as handy with a catapult or on the battlefield) their enslavement wasn't felt so greatly down the generations. Other times it was less kind, such as the Jewish diaspora. Although Jews held their own with their reverence of education and professionally integrating into every country they moved to, it was because of the Diaspora that they were a frequently preyed upon people for the next two thousand years. What saved them in the end? I would say that as vicious as the Romans' vengeance on the Jews was, to my knowledge they didn't actually ban their God, names or language (the diaspora probably did a number on the integrity of their family structure for a while, though...I'm not sure). But it's been two millenia since the Diaspora, and seeing the long, slow climb back up that African Americans are making today it's clear that a 150 years since the end of slavery isn't long enough for the dust to settle. It's really not often in history that when a people are taken into slavery literally everything is stripped from them.

    As has been said earlier in the thread, different situations are different.
    Did you take into account the sacrifice and self-deprecation of white Americans to help black American's "climb back up"; despite the fact that 145 years ago when slavery was legal; very few of their ancestors ever even owned a slave?

    Is there any other people in the history of the world who are so hated and blamed for something they are so obviously innocent of yet sacrificed so much to undo the damage to victims whose only link to slavery is six generations removed?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There have been a number of "personhood" laws promoted for passage by the anti-choice side. Such laws would restrict contraception

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    You misspelled "Pro Choice". And "personhood" laws do not block access to birth control.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    You misspelled "Pro Choice". And "personhood" laws do not block access to birth control.
    I misspelled nothing, and personhood laws do block access to contraceptives. In addition, there are some on the right who have tried to limit access to birth control (ex Plan B)
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Did you take into account the sacrifice and self-deprecation of white Americans to help black American's "climb back up"; despite the fact that 145 years ago when slavery was legal; very few of their ancestors ever even owned a slave?

    Is there any other people in the history of the world who are so hated and blamed for something they are so obviously innocent of yet sacrificed so much to undo the damage to victims whose only link to slavery is six generations removed?
    That doesn't address the my post. Whatever white Americans may or may not have done to contribute to the "climb back up" doesn't negate the long term ramifications that cultural and familial obliteration may have. Your good intentions may not be enough in the face of that, at least not for the timetable you're looking for. Your belief that 150 years is long enough is arbitrarily chosen, and my position is so far proven true in that it's not enough, as evidenced by how black Americans and Native Americans are faring. However, I could be wrong. If you can point to a similar situation where an entire race's homeland, culture, names, religion, language and family structure were all equally obliterated have bounced back in 150 years (or a similar time frame) I'd be more than happy to take that example into consideration. Otherwise, what you're historically looking at is either examples where they took many hundreds of years to recover, or they bounced back but only after suffering a few catastrophes that did not wholly threaten their way of life (or existence).
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I misspelled nothing, and personhood laws do block access to contraceptives. In addition, there are some on the right who have tried to limit access to birth control (ex Plan B)
    Plan B is the killing of the fetus. That isn't birth control, it's the killing of a living yet unborn human being. Unless you consider abortion "birth control" at which point we are done conversing on the subject. There is a forum for blasting that nonsense.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Plan B is the killing of the fetus. That isn't birth control, it's the killing of a living yet unborn human being. Unless you consider abortion "birth control" at which point we are done conversing on the subject. There is a forum for blasting that nonsense.
    Plan B does not cause abortions and is considered to be birth control

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