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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    I don't care in this case. When the people are having to shell out billions to take care of idiots that should never be having kids in the first place we should do something about it. We do when parents are bad parents, we take their kids. There is a precedent for this. Do you support Child Services taking a child from a supposedly abusive home? If so then prohibiting conception in the first place is a good idea.
    The whole point is prohibiting contraception is never a good idea. Going to extremes is well......just that----extreme.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The whole point is prohibiting contraception is never a good idea. Going to extremes is well......just that----extreme.
    Why isn't it a good idea. I respect that you disagree... but I only see your opinion. I think forced contraception has real world value to it... actual money savings... lives valued... etc.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Why isn't it a good idea. I respect that you disagree... but I only see your opinion. I think forced contraception has real world value to it... actual money savings... lives valued... etc.
    I don't think it's a pragmatic solution. Does the government force sterilization on someone who gets pregnant that does not make a certain income? Really???? Why not just provide birth control to poor people? Neither situation is perfect but only one is pragmatic. There is no such thing as perfect. There is such thing as reasonable solutions.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I don't think it's a pragmatic solution. Does the government force sterilization on someone who gets pregnant that does not make a certain income? Really???? Why not just provide birth control to poor people? Neither situation is perfect but only one is pragmatic. There is no such thing as perfect. There is such thing as reasonable solutions.
    Reasonable? Fine... I will stop channelling my ex-wife's living spirit for a while and agree with you. She will be back and so will the unreasonable responses... get ready.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Reasonable? Fine... I will stop channelling my ex-wife's living spirit for a while and agree with you. She will be back and so will the unreasonable responses... get ready.
    Lol, okay.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Lol, okay.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The whole point is prohibiting contraception is never a good idea. Going to extremes is well......just that----extreme.
    Who exactly is prohibiting contraception?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Who exactly is prohibiting contraception?
    See posts 585-

    Last year was not a great one for abortion rights. First, congressional Republicans attempted to deny statutory rape victims access to Medicaid-funded abortions (twice). Then GOP-dominated state legislatures pushed record numbers of laws limiting abortion rights, including proposals that could have treated killing abortion providers as "justifiable homicide."

    Yet in the past six months, social conservatives have widened their offensive, and their new target is clear: Not satisfied with making it harder to obtain legal abortions, they want to limit access to birth control, too.

    On a lighter note, don't miss The Greatest Hits in Contraceptive History slideshow. Or this particular throwback birth-control method.
    "Contraception is under attack in a way it really wasn't in the past few years," says Judy Waxman, the vice president for health and reproductive rights at the National Women's Law Center. "In 2004, we could not find any group—the National Right to Life Committee, the Bush campaign, anyone—that would go on the record to say they're opposed to birth control," adds Elizabeth Shipp, the political director for NARAL Pro-Choice America. "We couldn't find them in 2006 either, and in 2008 it was just fringe groups. In 2010, 2011, and this year, it's just exploded."

    The first sign of the new assault came last October, when Mississippi activists and congressional Republicans pushed legislation on the state and federal level, respectively, that would have treated zygotes—a.k.a. fertilized human eggs—as legal "persons." If the definition of legal personhood is changed so that it begins when sperm meets an egg, hormonal birth control or barrier devices that prevent zygotes from implanting in the uterine wall could become illegal, making using an IUD tantamount to murder. Yet some 40 percent of House Republicans and a quarter of their allies in the Senate back bills that would do just that.


    That's not all. Earlier this year, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a rising conservative star who's considered a possible pick for the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nomination, introduced a bill that could cut off birth control access for millions of women by allowing even non-religious employers to refuse birth control coverage as long as they cite a religious reason. In other words, if your boss doesn't want to cover birth control in the company health plan because he says it would offend his religious beliefs, he wouldn't have to—even if his Cialis was still covered. Rubio's bill could also allow states to refuse to provide birth control through Medicaid, which provides family planning services to millions of poor women.

    “These are people who have never, ever approved of birth control, and they saw an opportunity to take it one step further.”
    The Republican presidential candidates also have come out against birth control. Mitt Romney has slammed President Barack Obama for requiring most employers to offer insurance that provides birth control at no cost to women who want it, even though Romney himself maintained a similar rule as governor of Massachusetts.

    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who won the non-binding Missouri primary as well as the Minnesota and Colorado caucuses on Tuesday, has also slammed Obama's decision. But he's also gone farther than that, suggesting that any form of birth control is immoral. "Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in October. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." As Salon's Irin Carmon has documented, Santorum thinks Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court decision that said states can not deny married couples access to contraception, should be overturned. The Republican War on Contraception | Mother Jones

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    See posts 585-

    Last year was not a great one for abortion rights. First, congressional Republicans attempted to deny statutory rape victims access to Medicaid-funded abortions (twice). Then GOP-dominated state legislatures pushed record numbers of laws limiting abortion rights, including proposals that could have treated killing abortion providers as "justifiable homicide."

    Yet in the past six months, social conservatives have widened their offensive, and their new target is clear: Not satisfied with making it harder to obtain legal abortions, they want to limit access to birth control, too.

    On a lighter note, don't miss The Greatest Hits in Contraceptive History slideshow. Or this particular throwback birth-control method.
    "Contraception is under attack in a way it really wasn't in the past few years," says Judy Waxman, the vice president for health and reproductive rights at the National Women's Law Center. "In 2004, we could not find any group—the National Right to Life Committee, the Bush campaign, anyone—that would go on the record to say they're opposed to birth control," adds Elizabeth Shipp, the political director for NARAL Pro-Choice America. "We couldn't find them in 2006 either, and in 2008 it was just fringe groups. In 2010, 2011, and this year, it's just exploded."

    The first sign of the new assault came last October, when Mississippi activists and congressional Republicans pushed legislation on the state and federal level, respectively, that would have treated zygotes—a.k.a. fertilized human eggs—as legal "persons." If the definition of legal personhood is changed so that it begins when sperm meets an egg, hormonal birth control or barrier devices that prevent zygotes from implanting in the uterine wall could become illegal, making using an IUD tantamount to murder. Yet some 40 percent of House Republicans and a quarter of their allies in the Senate back bills that would do just that.


    That's not all. Earlier this year, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a rising conservative star who's considered a possible pick for the 2012 GOP vice-presidential nomination, introduced a bill that could cut off birth control access for millions of women by allowing even non-religious employers to refuse birth control coverage as long as they cite a religious reason. In other words, if your boss doesn't want to cover birth control in the company health plan because he says it would offend his religious beliefs, he wouldn't have to—even if his Cialis was still covered. Rubio's bill could also allow states to refuse to provide birth control through Medicaid, which provides family planning services to millions of poor women.

    “These are people who have never, ever approved of birth control, and they saw an opportunity to take it one step further.”
    The Republican presidential candidates also have come out against birth control. Mitt Romney has slammed President Barack Obama for requiring most employers to offer insurance that provides birth control at no cost to women who want it, even though Romney himself maintained a similar rule as governor of Massachusetts.

    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, who won the non-binding Missouri primary as well as the Minnesota and Colorado caucuses on Tuesday, has also slammed Obama's decision. But he's also gone farther than that, suggesting that any form of birth control is immoral. "Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in October. "It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." As Salon's Irin Carmon has documented, Santorum thinks Griswold v. Connecticut, the Supreme Court decision that said states can not deny married couples access to contraception, should be overturned. The Republican War on Contraception | Mother Jones
    So you have one - Rick Santorum who opposes all forms of birth control on religious grounds. And since Santorum is not in Congress, by my count that makes zero.

    And once again, Mother Jones, really?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Lots of white people have been taken slaves over the course of history. Look at the Vikings as just one example. I doubt that they ever had a slave who wasn't white. Why is it that you can only equate slavery with blacks?? An honest historical perspective shows that they were far from the only people made slaves, yet that's where your mind automatically jumps. Are you just completely ignorant of any history outside of American history? Do you think that blacks are supposed to be slaves?? Or maybe (here's by far the most likely scenario) you are too lazy to think outside of the parameter set forth by your political orientation??
    People have been taken as slaves for different reasons throughout history. Your thinking is indeed strangely binary.
    Actually; all races have been both slaves and slavers at some point in history_

    So; if the world history of slavery were taken into account, all races would be accountable_

    Oddly enough; only one race has been singled out as slaves and one race as slavers_

    The determining factor for this judgement call was far-left 20th Century politics which unfortunately continues in the 21st_

    It's a progressive strategy initiated for the purpose of creating a class of "victims" to secure their votes and political loyalty_

    In the eyes of Black America; they are unique victims of slavery and White America is unique to being slave masters_

    The fact that there has been no slavery in the United States for seven generations is inconsequential to those benefiting from the myth and probably will remain so as long as they continue getting mileage from it_
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