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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Blacks themselves. They encourage scapegoatism and "blaming whitey". If you're a success doing something besides ballin, slingin, or rappin, you're a sellout. If you speak coherently, you're "talking white". If you're black and support responsibility amongst your own, you're an Uncle Tom.

    Black culture does great at keeping their own people down and explaining who is to blame for it.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    [QUOTE=Gimmesometruth;1063419798]I have no idea, why don't you go find that out.

    In the meanwhile, here is something to answer your and your brethren's previous assertions that single low income mothers stay unmarried for/because of welfare:


    The mothers we spoke to were quite forthcoming about the fact that the men who had
    fathered their children often weren’t “worth a lifetime commitment,” given their lack of
    trustworthiness, the traditional nature of their sex-role views, the potential loss of control over
    parental and household decisions, and their risky and sometimes violent behavior. While mothers
    then they shouldn't make babies with such men. Men like that are not the norm in our society.

    If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    then they shouldn't make babies with such men.
    Sure, they should have the knowledge of future conditions.

    Men like that are not the norm in our society.
    Our society....being low income males, coming under increasing economic stress due to negative income gains, causing less marriage and other assorted symptoms. Oh wait, you want to shift the discussion to median income families....zowie.

    If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
    And again, you make this into a morality tale.....rather than economics....because your welfare queen economics argument is dead.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Correct answer is not on the list. Crack.

    Prior to the introduction of crack, blacks were on track to equal whites in pay, housing, education and a whole host of other issues. Crack basically stopped that and they lost ground.
    Sorry but it comes down to personal responsibility.

    No one's forced them to pick up the crack pipes.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer.
    Wash, rinse, repeat...




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    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
    The wellbeing of single-parent families is a vitally important issue for the United States.
    Half or more of the children growing up in the U.S. today will spend some, and in some cases
    all, of their childhood in a single-parent family.

    This report compares U.S. single-parent families with single-parent families in 16 other
    high-income countries. We find that U.S. single-parent families are the worst off. They have the
    highest poverty rate. They have the highest rate of no health care coverage. They face the
    stingiest income support system. They lack the paid-time-off-from-work entitlements that in
    comparison countries make it easier for single parents to balance caregiving and jobholding.
    They must wait longer than single parents in comparison countries for early childhood education
    to begin. They have a low rate of child support receipt.

    U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average
    poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support
    explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment.


    The comparison high-income countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada,
    Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden,
    Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (U.K.). These countries have a per capita gross national
    income above $30,000 and a population of at least several million. Except when a data source
    omits some of the comparison countries, we report on all of them.

    http://www.legalmomentum.org/sites/d...gle-parent.pdf
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    As I showed in the study of black youths, the racism they see is not imagined, it is real and tangible and still exist against them.
    Your "study" showed absolutely nothing of the kind.

    All it demonstrated was that a lot of young African Americans perceive themselves as being victims of discrimination regardless of whether they actually are or not, and this leads them to do poorly in life. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the discrimination you describe even exists in any meaningful sense, let alone that it plays a significant role in holding the Black Community back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I have my explanation of the same phenom, your argument is to return to marriage being an economic necessity, resulting in higher female suicide and homicide.....
    This argument is counter-factual nonsense.

    Marriage Still Safest Place For Women And Children

    Married, and even divorced, women and their children experience far less domestic violence on average than women who have never been married. Suicide rates for women, and single mothers, have also increased dramatically in recent decades.

    Either way you want to look at it, marriage is usually better than single motherhood. It is more economically workable, and more socially workable.

    rather than creating greater wage gains for women and men in lower quintiles.
    The goal should be to lift impoverished people out of the "lower quintiles," not make it more comfortable for them to languish there at tax payer expense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wash, rinse, repeat...
    We're telling you what the Black Community needs to do if it wants to be successful in elevating its circumstances. I'm sorry, but nothing about this is going to change simply because you happen to dislike the solutions put forward.

    If African Americans are unwilling to do what is necessary to elevate themselves, they will remain in impoverished squallor. No one is going to rescue them from their own stupidity if they are too stubborn to change their own behavior for the better.

    I'm sorry, but that's really all there is to say here.

    You can "get with the program" like every other ethnic group in the United States has managed to do, or you can get out.



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    And how much of this is because of the ever-growing abortion rate that has afflicted the Black Community over the course of the last several decades?

    Sky-High Abortion Rates Among Blacks And Minorities Only Getting Worse

    Aborting 25% or more of all African American pregnancies really isn't the solution you're looking for here; especially given the fact that it seems to be having no meaningful impact whatsoever on actually improving the black community's standing in American society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The wellbeing of single-parent families is a vitally important issue for the United States.
    Half or more of the children growing up in the U.S. today will spend some, and in some cases
    all, of their childhood in a single-parent family.

    This report compares U.S. single-parent families with single-parent families in 16 other
    high-income countries. We find that U.S. single-parent families are the worst off. They have the
    highest poverty rate. They have the highest rate of no health care coverage. They face the
    stingiest income support system. They lack the paid-time-off-from-work entitlements that in
    comparison countries make it easier for single parents to balance caregiving and jobholding.
    They must wait longer than single parents in comparison countries for early childhood education
    to begin. They have a low rate of child support receipt.

    U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average
    poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support
    explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment.


    The comparison high-income countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada,
    Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden,
    Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (U.K.). These countries have a per capita gross national
    income above $30,000 and a population of at least several million. Except when a data source
    omits some of the comparison countries, we report on all of them.

    http://www.legalmomentum.org/sites/d...gle-parent.pdf
    Ah. I see. You're proposing that the American welfare system, and American tax payers, basically bankrupt themselves trying to subsidize the stupidity of lower class and minority women who willfully choose to have children out of wedlock, because you stubbornly insist that this behavior should be encouraged in spite of the problems it causes.

    Frankly, I find it absolutely amazing that you expect anyone here to have sympathy for low income African Americans given how you've chosen to portray the community in your posts. You've basically reinforced every negative stereotype in the book.

    You apparently believe that African Americans have the absolute right to behave like anti-social thugs, willfully fail to conform to American cultural standards, and have children they cannot support out of wedlock, with "whitey" footing the bill for the failures these behaviors inevitably result in every step of the way. You also seem to believe that anyone who so much as attempts to give the slightest bit of constructive criticism regarding these attitudes is a "racist," responsible for holding blacks back.

    Again, I hate to break to you man, but the real world simply doesn't work that way.

    African Americans (or persons of any race, really) who are unwilling to put forth the effort necessary to elevate themselves can rot for all I care. I am under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to help someone who refuses to help themselves.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see, some racial discrimination is OK!

    That is what I expect to read from you.

    Um, not racial discrimination...try again.
    that is dishonest to make it racial. racial discrimination implies race is why people discriminate rather than actions black kids wearing suits and ties vs gangsters?



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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    . . . .
    And how much of this is because of the ever-growing abortion rate that has afflicted the Black Community over the course of the last several decades?

    Sky-High Abortion Rates Among Blacks And Minorities Only Getting Worse

    Aborting 25% or more of all African American pregnancies really isn't the solution you're looking for here; especially given the fact that it seems to be having no meaningful impact whatsoever on actually improving the black community's standing in American society. . . .
    Hmm. That almost seems like genocide some how. Self inflicted to be sure, but none the less.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    It's not a trap, it's cage with an open door that people choose to stay in. Anyone who wants to go to college can do so WITHOUT going into debt. If you're poor, there are massive amounts of grant money out there available to you. I have a good friend who gets pissed off about this since he makes too much money for his daughter to qualify for these grants, yet not enough to pay her way for her (she's working her way through law school, with NO loans and with about a thousand $ a month help from her dad). Staying in poverty is a choice, not something that gets forced on people. Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage.
    YES! "Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage." That's exactly what I did. I had gone without all my life, so that was not the problem, I was used to that. It meant walking 5 kilometres to the train station, 1 and a half hours train travel, another 1 and a half kilometres walking, university lectures and tutes and then doing the same travelling and walking at night, 5 days a week, but I did it. Had to get into debt with student loans because I had to pay rent and my daughter was still at home (my son had gone off on an adventure to live life by then). I had so little money that my daughter also got a few dollars from the government to help with the rent. I was in my mid-40s before I went to uni. I didn't blame anyone, I didn't rage at the world because I came from poverty and so did my kids, I did something about it.

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