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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    OMFG!

    Really, living in the South gave you the experience that racism more significant for whites than blacks, that the number of blacks who are racists outnumber whites who are racists.

    When one believes that, there is no point in producing graphs....or research.
    When one pursues a path of social research, it generally reaches the conclusion of the researcher...
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wait wait wait.....you were going to tell me, or at least I thought my point was clear, of what the:

    "code of uniformity and achievement"

    ....is?

    Are you going to say what it is?
    I've seen it in action, that if you perform well in your profession and act in accordance with expected behavior, regardless of race, you'll be rewarded with advancement. Why is that so hard for you to accept.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    OK, I'll define racism and then we can compare how you define racism.

    Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com


    By this definition, racism is so infinitesimal in the US that it's not even worth mentioning. I'm not denying that there are those who feel that "their race" is superior and that they feel they have the right to "rule others", but there are so few that it's a non-issue.


    What policies are based in the belief that one race is superior to another and that the "lesser" races should be "ruled"? We are governed by a representative republic, not a theocracy or a dictatorship, that would allow such a government.


    Again, we are talking infinitesimal numbers that fall into this category. I would venture to say that the numbers of black who hate or are intolerant of whites is probably about the same as whites who hate or are intolerant of blacks if not more so. Of course this is only my perception and I don't have a nice little graph or a poll with pretty lines and colors on it. I base this on my own life experiences having lived in both the midwest and the deep south.

    So how do you define racism?
    I would add
    poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
    Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Actually, it was about exploitation. There were many Blacks that lived free...
    There were many blacks who lived free, but there were far more that did not here in the US at one point in time. Various races or groups of people have been viewed at one point in history as "not a human" or "less than human" and were "ruled" as slaves. It all started with the American Indians, then blacks, Chinese, Irish, Japanese, Hispanics and even women to an extent. The US has a long history of being intolerant and "racist" in their policies and actions - and no group has a better case for this than the American Indians. But those days are long gone and behind us. Slaves, predominantly black slaves for the purpose of this discussion, were exploited primarily for labor - because they were viewed as a "lesser race" and were thus ruled. It was wrong and most of us have seemed to move past that. But others, and some are in this very thread, want to see racism in everything because they don't understand what true racism is. The word "racist" and "racism" is thrown around so much that they wouldn't know what true racism is if it happened in their own living room.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've seen it in action, that if you perform well in your profession and act in accordance with expected behavior, regardless of race, you'll be rewarded with advancement. Why is that so hard for you to accept.
    I've also seen that in action. I have also seen the opposite in action

    Why is that so hard for you to accept?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    There were many blacks who lived free, but there were far more that did not here in the US at one point in time. Various races or groups of people have been viewed at one point in history as "not a human" or "less than human" and were "ruled" as slaves. It all started with the American Indians, then blacks, Chinese, Irish, Japanese, Hispanics and even women to an extent. The US has a long history of being intolerant and "racist" in their policies and actions - and no group has a better case for this than the American Indians. But those days are long gone and behind us. Slaves, predominantly black slaves for the purpose of this discussion, were exploited primarily for labor - because they were viewed as a "lesser race" and were thus ruled. It was wrong and most of us have seemed to move past that. But others, and some are in this very thread, want to see racism in everything because they don't understand what true racism is. The word "racist" and "racism" is thrown around so much that they wouldn't know what true racism is if it happened in their own living room.
    The point is that individuals cannot continue to use the past to explain their failings in the present, otherwise the Chinese in the west would not have thrived...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    OMFG!

    Really, living in the South gave you the experience that racism more significant for whites than blacks, that the number of blacks who are racists outnumber whites who are racists.

    When one believes that, there is no point in producing graphs....or research.
    I've lived in or around big cities my entire life before I moved to the south. Yes, despite your inexperience, there is a percentage of blacks who do hate whites and it even permeates itself in some hardcore rap music. But that percentage (you seem to have missed this the first time) is so small that it's insignificant in your attempt to scream "RAciSM ExisTS EVerYWherE!"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
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    Racism
    Is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin color or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.

    Source: US Civil Rights Commission
    So you're using a definition of racism that is not the actual definition and therein lies the problem. You are using the definition of prejudice and not racism. This explains why you have been so wrong about everything in this entire thread.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I've also seen that in action. I have also seen the opposite in action

    Why is that so hard for you to accept?
    I already explained there are two versions. Sadly enough, it's the defenders of racial rights that are the worst offenders. Real racism, as I've experienced in the south is far more observable than any PC crap that is identified as possibly offensive. It amounts to namby pamby words and name calling, when I've seen real hatred in action.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The point is that individuals cannot continue to use the past to explain their failings in the present, otherwise the Chinese in the west would not have thrived...
    I agree completely, the past is the past. We need to learn from the past and not make the same mistakes. Some "groups" tend to do this better than others.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    So you're using a definition of racism that is not the actual definition and therein lies the problem. You are using the definition of prejudice and not racism. This explains why you have been so wrong about everything in this entire thread.
    I agree that there is a difference between prejudice and racism. However, as commonly used, the term racism is often used to describe prejudice when the prejudice is based on race or even ethnicity.
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