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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Across the world and across history, people have been treated the way the Africans were during the slave trade, yet those people don't use that treatment as an excuse for failure. When will people stop blaming others and start taking responsibility for their own actions and their own futures? All the crap about economic disadvantages and bad stuff that happened 6 or 8 generations back is just another excuse for failure to be responsible. Everyone has an excuse, I see it all the time in my world. How about people stop blaming others and start taking responsibility? When we will they start taking the attitude that no matter what they face, they will find a way to excel?? I've met people both black, white, brown and whatever other "color label" you want to apply, who rose above the depths of their circumstances and made a better world for themselves. As long as blaming others for their problems as acceptable, there will be people who wallow in multi-generational failure. We need to stop telling people that it's OK that they failed since they were born poor and their 3X great-grandfather was a slave. We need to start looking these people in the eye and expecting them to rise up, not expecting them to perpetuate the failures of their mothers and fathers.
    Are you trying to argue that racism in America today has no effect upon minority achievement?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    i hope only blacks are doing this poll if you want it to be accurate

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Are you trying to argue that racism in America today has no effect upon minority achievement?
    Today? Not to any significant degree, no.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Are you trying to argue that racism in America today has no effect upon minority achievement?
    There's a code of uniformity and achievement in today's society that is universal and if followed will most likely lead to success. Maybe even more so for minorities over Caucasians.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Are you trying to argue that racism in America today has no effect upon minority achievement?
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    Today? Not to any significant degree, no.
    I know this is going to be a huge waste of effort since when I presented a chart covering the timespan of 1960 to 2007, you could not find a decade prior to 1970....but here goes:

    The Enduring Significance of Racism: Discrimination and Delinquency Among Black American Youth
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    There's a code of uniformity and achievement in today's society that is universal and if followed will most likely lead to success. Maybe even more so for minorities over Caucasians.
    You are saying that minorities need to act White.....which runs counter to the claim that racism in America is "insignificant".
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I may not have the answer myself, or even the time or willingness to try.
    But one thing that is very clear is that the problem is far more complex than the discussion that this poll allows for and far more complex than any conversation in this thread.

    It is a mixed bag, and no group has clean hands.
    That is very true. For the US, this was a problem centuries in the making with feelings and moral codes that have been passed down through the generations. There have been half solutions to societal issues over the years. To point fingers at one source is nave.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I know this is going to be a huge waste of effort since when I presented a chart covering the timespan of 1960 to 2007, you could not find a decade prior to 1970....but here goes:

    The Enduring Significance of Racism: Discrimination and Delinquency Among Black American Youth
    Ironically, the provided source sinks your own argument.

    The Enduring Significance of Racism: Discrimination and Delinquency Among Black American Youth

    Abstract

    Prominent explanations of the overrepresentation of Black Americans in criminal justice statistics focus on the effects of neighborhood concentrated disadvantage, racial isolation, and social disorganization. We suggest that perceived personal discrimination is an important but frequently neglected complement to these factors.

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    Consistent with our hypothesis, perceived personal discrimination has notable direct effects on both general and violent delinquency and is an important mediator between neighborhood structural conditions and offending; moreover, its effects exceed those associated with neighborhood conditions.

    Feeling victimized by "perceived" racism and discrimination is not the same thing as being a legitimate victim of actual racism and discrimination.

    Case in point:

    The following is an example of "perceived" racism.



    What you see below are examples of actual racism.



    Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]-samcarter-jpg

    Basically the only thing your study proves is that a lot of angry young black men (similar to the dim-bulb in the video above) like to believe that they are being discriminated against by whites, and often use that belief as an excuse to justify anti-social behavior, and even criminality, which ultimately winds up holding them back in life. Their supposed "repression" by American society becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy as such.

    The study doesn't do a damn thing to demonstrate whether the "racism" these young men claim to be suffering from actually exists in any meaningful fashion. Quite frankly, I'm inclined to believe that it doesn't.

    Minorities have every economic and educational opportunity whites have, and just as much right to pursue them. There are even government programs in place specifically designed to make sure that minority individuals in general, and blacks in particular, are able to capitalize on such opportunities, even if they do not have the monetary capital on hand to finance it.

    There is really no valid excuse for why a person of any race or creed cannot succeed in the modern day and age, other than the simple refusal to even make an honest attempt at doing so in the first place.

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    You are saying that minorities need to act White.....which runs counter to the claim that racism in America is "insignificant".
    And so the cycle perpetuates itself once more.

    How about we just call it "not acting like a ghetto moron" and leave things at that? Why must sensible, sane, and responsible behavior be something limited to people of any one race or ethnicity in particular?

    As they say, "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are saying that minorities need to act White.....which runs counter to the claim that racism in America is "insignificant".
    School me on how one acts white.. Is that a particular way.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I repeat, different situations are different.
    ...and they also have many similarities. You want look at those bits and pieces that support the furthering of the lack of responsibility among the people in this country who seem locked into a life of poverty and I want focus on those that show that they can rise above that poverty. Which one is building a future and which one is wallowing in the past???
    Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

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