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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    To try to frame the question as racist is to look at it in a bad semantic light, phony outrage and citing racism to a sensible question is a bit reactionistic if you ask me. The question is clearly geared towards problems in African American Culture and society in the general population. We aren't talking about 'every single' black person, but are saying that many share the same struggle and face the same problems.
    Such as? What social or cultural problems do you believe are unique to african americans?
    Perhaps I can answer if you can define what you mean.
    In my view anyone who looks for policy solutions for groups instead of policy solutions for everyone as individuals is by definition discriminatory.

    For example high out of wedlock birth rates in the black community have been called a problem for blacks. It is. However it is not unique to black folks, and any policy proposal directed at solving black out of wedlock births is discriminatory. The non discriminatory policy would address the social ill, not the color of the people affected by that ill.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Here, you get this too.
    You mean like what was done with the convicts shipped to Australia??? Oddly enough the generations descended from those folks don't have the same issues and for a LONG time being descended from a convict made you a social pariah.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    You mean like what was done with the convicts shipped to Australia???
    No, not like the convicts shipped to Australia.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    A staggering statistic that 38 percent of black children live in poverty. And, certain politicians continue to fight against access to birth control. It shouldn't even be a political issue as far as I'm concerned. It's pragmatic and common sense if we want to affect some kind of change. Yet, these clowns get voted in and are partly responsible for not allowing change. It's shameful.
    Who exactly is fighting against access to birth control? I know of several who fought to have birth control mandated by law, but I don't recall anyone fighting against access.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    This is funny. I would imagine that most, if not all, self-respecting African Americans are chomping at the bit to get scholarly answers to this highly intellectual question. This reminds me of the jellyfish asking his mom if she knew why there was so much salt in the ocean. I laughed out loud when I saw this. It's highly cerebral indeed. Oh, wait, can you imagine? This haha moment takes me back to the sub-par undergrads in my Intellectual Heritage courses who got a free-pass (oh no they were not African American) but couldn't muster up a good essay critique. They are the ones who are quick to offer their "Rubik's Cube" logic but cannot craft a proper essay on the topic to support their crappy opinions. They are simple-minded. Their machinations are reminiscent of the same old tawdry affair with the superiority mindset. I proudly represent the African American perspective. And, I offer that for as much as a blanket diagnosis for the ills of my race be rendered here, it can be applied to virtually every race in the US. Humph! The bone-headed nerve of these self-righteous bumblers.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, not like the convicts shipped to Australia.
    So being forcibly relocated to whole different continent and put to work as slave labor is different if the new continent is Australia??
    Could you please explain why it is that the black people who were descended from people who weren't brought to this country forcibly, but still live in the same situation as those who were?
    Also, could you explain why there are some phenomenal and highly admirable success stories coming from people who's ancestors were forcibly brought to this country??
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    So being forcibly relocated to whole different continent and put to work as slave labor is different if the new continent is Australia??
    Could you please explain why it is that the black people who were descended from people who weren't brought to this country forcibly, but still live in the same situation as those who were?
    Also, could you explain why there are some phenomenal and highly admirable success stories coming from people who's ancestors were forcibly brought to this country??
    The answer is "complex problems do not have simple explanations" and "different situations are different"
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, you said that it's easier for women to make it alone now because it's easier for them to make a living and that wages are lower than they used to be. Nope, no inconsistency there, just a bit of doublethink.
    No, again, you are conflating 2 statements, it was easier for single women to live on their own following no-fault divorce and their increasing wage gains in the 1960's......and 20 years later thru today, wage gains for all lower quintile workers (particularly women) have gone stagnant or negative.

    And, no, I've already said that it's easier for women to live alone now, or more to the point, to live with their illegitimate children. Perhaps that is one reason why marriage is less common than it used to be.
    I have my explanation of the same phenom, your argument is to return to marriage being an economic necessity, resulting in higher female suicide and homicide.....rather than creating greater wage gains for women and men in lower quintiles.

    Selfishness is another big reason, of course, that and failing to plan for the future.
    I know, fear of violence and suicide...is selfishness, and everyone knows that continued decreased wage gains is something everyone anticipated!
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The answer is "complex problems do not have simple explanations" and "different situations are different"
    Across the world and across history, people have been treated the way the Africans were during the slave trade, yet those people don't use that treatment as an excuse for failure. When will people stop blaming others and start taking responsibility for their own actions and their own futures? All the crap about economic disadvantages and bad stuff that happened 6 or 8 generations back is just another excuse for failure to be responsible. Everyone has an excuse, I see it all the time in my world. How about people stop blaming others and start taking responsibility? When we will they start taking the attitude that no matter what they face, they will find a way to excel?? I've met people both black, white, brown and whatever other "color label" you want to apply, who rose above the depths of their circumstances and made a better world for themselves. As long as blaming others for their problems as acceptable, there will be people who wallow in multi-generational failure. We need to stop telling people that it's OK that they failed since they were born poor and their 3X great-grandfather was a slave. We need to start looking these people in the eye and expecting them to rise up, not expecting them to perpetuate the failures of their mothers and fathers.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Across the world and across history, people have been treated the way the Africans were during the slave trade,
    I repeat, different situations are different.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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