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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    "the black community was well on its way towards the same in many parts of the country prior to the 1970s"
    Your chart didn't even include anything prior to the 1970s, so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here.

    and so you post a AFGR 2014 chart......which doesn't support your original point at all.
    That blacks have the highest drop out rates of any major ethnic group in the United States? How so?

    Actually, currently, they are on par....but that still wasn't the point you were defending.
    http://www2.ed.gov/documents/press-r...-rate-data.pdf
    California - White graduation rate : 85% Latino rate: 70% Black rate: 63%

    Minnesota - White graduation rate: 84% Latino rate: 51% Black rate: 49%

    Florida - White graduation rate: 76% Latino rate: 69% Black rate: 59%

    New Jersey - White graduation rate: 90% Latino rate: 73% Black rate: 69%

    They sure as Hell don't look "on par" to me.

    So...again....this doesn't change the fact that you could not discern from the chart that White women, Black women and men are earning close to the same and far behind White males.
    What's your point? I never claimed that they were making the same as white males. I said that they made a great deal of progress prior to the 1970s, which has since leveled off.

    Frankly, in case you haven't noticed, it's not like we're doing especially great right now anyway. If anyone's having run away "success" right now, it is Asian Americans.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Too simplistic. Your not alone, but blaming the victim is all too common:

    In the 1960s, social psychologist Dr. Melvin Lerner conducted a famous serious of studies in which he found that when participants observed another person receiving electric shocks and were unable to intervene, they began to derogate the victims. The more unfair and severe the suffering appeared to be, the greater the derogation. Follow up studies found that a similar phenomenon occurs when people evaluate victims of car accidents, rape, domestic violence, illness, and poverty. Research conducted by Dr. Ronnie Janoff-Bulman suggests that victims sometimes even derogate themselves, locating the cause of their suffering in their own behavior, but not in their enduring characteristics, in an effort to make negative events seem more controllable and therefore more avoidable in the future.

    Why Do We Blame Victims? | Psychology Today

    This is common with women, minorities, and the poor.
    You bypassed the threshold discussion issue, which is whether or not modern day American blacks are even victims.

    That question is not conclusively answered simply by an acknowledgement of the fact that many blacks are kept hopelessly dependent as voting wards of your Democrat party.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Only they haven't, as they are still doing everything in their power to succeed. They are attaining degrees at rates never seen before, and (where the Middle Classes are concerned, anyway) getting into most kinds of trouble less commonly than previous generations. Their failures are to blame on the poor state of the current economy more than anything else.
    Why yes. The failure to succeed of many young adults does not show that they have stopped trying to succeed. The failure to succeed of many black does show that they have stopped trying to succeed

    No, I am expressing the idea, and statistical fact, that people who do not go out of their way to behave like morons tend to succeed far more commonly in life than those who do.

    Again, this is irrefutable, the state of the current economy not withstanding.
    What is irrefutable is that you have repeatedly said one thing, and then denied having said it.


    Uh-huh, sure.

    It doesn't have to "prove" anything. The fact of the matter is that such attitudes exist. They have a lot to do with the black community's failure to move forward.
    And here's an example of you saying one thing (that blacks criticizing other blacks for being Uncle Toms is common) and then pretending you said something else ("such attitudes exist") once you've been proven wrong.



    Yes. You defended the idea that adults today were "better behaved" than past generations. Modern blacks are worse behaved.
    Please quote where I said that adults today were better behaved than past generations. The link you posted is to a thread where I talk the rate of obesity, meeting exercise guidelines, and alcohol use and was about teenagers, not adults.
    Which group of the two would you rank as being more likely to "succeed" all things being equal?[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Why yes. The failure to succeed of many young adults does not show that they have stopped trying to succeed. The failure to succeed of many black does show that they have stopped trying to succeed
    If blacks do stupid and objectively counter-productive things like dropping out of school and having children they cannot afford out of wedlock where Middle Class young adults do not?

    Yes. Absolutely.

    I really fail to see why this is such a difficult concept for you to grasp. Simply put, actions have consequences. Unfortunately, a great many African Americans have made a habit of taking some truly stupid actions in life. They continue to do so for generation after generation.

    What is irrefutable is that you have repeatedly said one thing, and then denied having said it.
    Only for those too stubborn to see what has been placed right in front of their nose for what it actually is.

    And here's an example of you saying one thing (that blacks criticizing other blacks for being Uncle Toms is common) and then pretending you said something else ("such attitudes exist") once you've been proven wrong.
    And here's an example of you clearly realizing that you have lost the debate on a certain point, and so trying to misrepresent my point in order to save yourself.

    All I ever claimed was that these attitudes exist, and are destructive, as they prevent blacks from pursuing courses of action which might lead them to success.

    Please quote where I said that adults today were better behaved than past generations. The link you posted is to a thread where I talk the rate of obesity, meeting exercise guidelines, and alcohol use and was about teenagers, not adults.
    Which was clearly meant to defend the OP's supposition that today's generation was "better behaved" than those of the past.

    Do you deny that belief?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Your chart didn't even include anything prior to the 1970s, so I'm not sure what you think you've proven here.
    FFS!

    you have proven for the 3rd time that you cannot read a chart.

    This is getting pointless, I use charts to make it simple...



    That blacks have the highest drop out rates of any major ethnic group in the United States? How so?
    Oh, gawd, no that was not the original point I countered when I posted it in response to you.

    Are you doing this on purpose? Does intentional confusion win you argument?



    California - White graduation rate : 85% Latino rate: 70% Black rate: 63%

    Minnesota - White graduation rate: 84% Latino rate: 51% Black rate: 49%

    Florida - White graduation rate: 76% Latino rate: 69% Black rate: 59%

    New Jersey - White graduation rate: 90% Latino rate: 73% Black rate: 69%

    They sure as Hell don't look "on par" to me.
    This is known as "cherry picking", Blacks and Hispanics are at parity.......and this is still not a defense of your original point......that you now cannot remember.



    What's your point? I never claimed that they were making the same as white males. I said that they made a great deal of progress prior to the 1970s, which has since leveled off.
    Again, you can't remember that your original objection was:

    "Black wages would also seem to be more or less on par with those of everyone else, and your claim concerning white women is simply bizarre, as the chart blatantly contradicts your claim."

    They are not on par with white males, they are on par with white women, the claim was not contradicted. Don't make me have to go back over your original comments because you can't remember them.



    Frankly, in case you haven't noticed, it's not like we're doing especially great right now anyway. If anyone's having run away "success" right now, it is Asian Americans.
    Looking for a tangent, a distraction from your inability to keep your story straight? yep.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    FFS!

    you have proven for the 3rd time that you cannot read a chart.

    This is getting pointless, I use charts to make it simple...

    Oh, gawd, no that was not the original point I countered when I posted it in response to you.

    Are you doing this on purpose? Does intentional confusion win you argument?
    At this point, I'm quite frankly not even sure if you know what my argument is.

    Again, all I've done here is point out the objective fact that African Americans had much greater success in eliminating poverty and elevating their station in American society prior to the 1970s than they have had since. They have more or less plateaued in the ensuing decades.

    The destructive behaviors "Black Culture" has been responsible for perpetuating in that time frame is a major factor in bringing this about.

    This is known as "cherry picking", Blacks and Hispanics are at parity.......and this is still not a defense of your original point......that you now cannot remember.
    Clearly not, as that is not what your chart actually shows. In a great many areas of the country (probably most, as a matter of fact) blacks are behind whites, latinos, and asians where high school graduation rates are concerned.

    This is reflected in the national average I posted before, and even in the graph you just posted.

    Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]-figure-coi-2-jpg

    Again, you can't remember that your original objection was:

    "Black wages would also seem to be more or less on par with those of everyone else, and your claim concerning white women is simply bizarre, as the chart blatantly contradicts your claim."

    They are not on par with white males, they are on par with white women, the claim was not contradicted. Don't make me have to go back over your original comments because you can't remember them.
    Looking for a tangent, a distraction from your inability to keep your story straight? yep.
    Yes, "on par" in the sense that they seem to have waxed and waned in tandem with most other groups. I never said that they were necessarily "equal."
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which was clearly meant to defend the OP's supposition that today's generation was "better behaved" than those of the past.

    Do you deny that belief?
    You claimed that I said that young adults are better behaved than young adults in the past. You said you could prove I said that. You said the proof was there in black and white.

    Either quote me saying that, or admit that it is you who is lying about what I have said.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    Don't lie, Sangha. Own up to your words.

    Did you not argue that young adults today were less likely to abuse alcohol, drugs, and fall into delinquency than previous generations?

    I know you did. I can provide sources, if you like.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Blacks themselves. They encourage scapegoatism and "blaming whitey". If you're a success doing something besides ballin, slingin, or rappin, you're a sellout. If you speak coherently, you're "talking white". If you're black and support responsibility amongst your own, you're an Uncle Tom.

    Black culture does great at keeping their own people down and explaining who is to blame for it.
    Count with me the number of black folk on this thread blaming "whitey" or quoting anything said by Jackson or Shaprton VERSUS all the people ready to give an oppinion on "what is wrong with black folk"...Shall we.

    We will count you as part of group number 2.


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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I blame those who, (Like the person who started this thread.), have lots of time to waste talking about a problem.

    But no time to spend solving that problem.

    Solving this problem will require a lot of people to get off of their backsides and actually do something.

    I don't expect to see that happen anytime soon.
    The hell? When's the last time you've gotten your ass off DP and helped the black community? When's the last time you've done anything at all in real life to further your political beliefs?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The hell? When's the last time you've gotten your ass off DP and helped the black community? When's the last time you've done anything at all in real life to further your political beliefs?



    ROTFLMAO

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