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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    How so?
    They spend a lot of time telling blacks that nothing that happens to them is their fault, that the white man owes them stuff and they shouldn't make any effort to get out of poverty, they deserve free stuff, just because they're black. There are tons of examples of this.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    White people call other white people who don't identify with the conservative ideology, or who voted for Obama a "self loathing white".

    Truth be told, I see conservatives tossing around the "white guilt" label more than I see blacks calling other blacks uncle toms.
    I never heard that, especially since the first time around, I, a white person, voted for Obama. Why has nobody ever said that to me?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The murder rate has dropped because the minority (not ethnicity) that are the killers have been removed from society.
    Seriously? This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted at DP since I joined here.

    Tell that to the citizens of Chicago, Oakland, Washington DC, Detroit and other democrat run cities with outrageous murder rates.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'll write this slowly, I don't think we have all needed laws to end discrimination, inequality, et al.
    A good example is that of all the developed nations, the US is one of only three that provide more teachers to schools in middle and high income areas than they do to schools in low income areas.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know. It is logical to think that the war on poverty is a accelerating the decline in marriage.

    So, what do you think is causing the decline in married couples raising children? Surely, whatever that factor may be must be a large part of the reason why blacks and whites alike are living in poverty.
    Like most complicated issues, including the one referred to in the OP, there's probably a variety of factors

    For example, increasing income for women and participation by them in the workforce has made them less dependent on men. Increased incarceration rates of black males combined with a reluctance of many white men to marry to black women has left black women with fewer viable options with respect to marriage.

    If I devoted more thought to it, I could probably come up with a few more. IOW, the idea that one single thing (like the right wing delusion that it's caused by welfare) is the cause is hopelessly simplistic which explains why simpletons prefer it (there's less to remember)
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Like most complicated issues, including the one referred to in the OP, there's probably a variety of factors

    For example, increasing income for women and participation by them in the workforce has made them less dependent on men. Increased incarceration rates of black males combined with a reluctance of many white men to marry to black women has left black women with fewer viable options with respect to marriage.

    If I devoted more thought to it, I could probably come up with a few more. IOW, the idea that one single thing (like the right wing delusion that it's caused by welfare) is the cause is hopelessly simplistic which explains why simpletons prefer it (there's less to remember)
    Increased income for women: Maybe, if the only reason for them to marry is to have a breadwinner.
    Increased incarceration: Men in jail aren't making babies generally.
    Interracial marriage is much more common and accepted than it once was, and anyway, what goes for poor blacks goes for poor whites as well.

    I'm not so sure that the financial help available to single mothers can be dismissed as a factor, perhaps a major factor.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know. It is logical to think that the war on poverty is a accelerating the decline in marriage.
    If you think this, then show your basis, you guys talk a lot, but have little data backing the claim.

    So, what do you think is causing the decline in married couples raising children? Surely, whatever that factor may be must be a large part of the reason why blacks and whites alike are living in poverty.
    A lot of the decline in marriage period....is due to the fact that women do not need the male as a breadwinner, they can be the earner. Many women choose to be single mothers....because they can do so, without the threat of domestic violence. As I pointed out to your bud, after the implementation of no fault divorce, female suicide, homicide and domestic abuse declined sharply. There are many aspects to this issue, a one size does not fit all quintiles......but then.....the burden is being shifted, I'm not the one that has a point to prove......you do.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    The title is evident. Who is the MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans today??
    The Revs (neither is the pastor of any church) Sharpton and Jackson come to mind. Why blacks still listen to these two race baiters is beyond me.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Seriously? This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted at DP since I joined here.
    Trolling and baiting, by a someone who should know better.

    Tell that to the citizens of Chicago, Oakland, Washington DC, Detroit and other democrat run cities with outrageous murder rates.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Seriously? This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted at DP since I joined here.

    Tell that to the citizens of Chicago, Oakland, Washington DC, Detroit and other democrat run cities with outrageous murder rates.
    well in all fairness I have seen far more idiotic things (like the claim that soccer isn't a sport and doesn't require any exertion) and there are many prosecutors and criminologists who claim that the severe three strike sentences that were popular under Reagan in response to the "crack epidemic" took lots of the hard core mopes out of circulation. However, most of those types would have beyond the age of most street criminals by now if they were not in prison or not dead so that claim is less valid



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