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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    cpwill posted one clue as to the reason for the problems African Americans are experiencing in the cartoon thread. Here it is:

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You (the theoretical you) are free to be racist.....so long has you do not affect me. However, I should have legal protections to stop any and all racism/discrimination by you that does affect me....since you cannot control your racism.
    and so you (the theoretical you), would have legal recourse. That does not stop the action. Hence, no law really stops someone from doing what sociaty has deemed to be illegal.

    What is more important is to raise our kids to respect all people, treat them as they would like to be treated, and judge people by thier actions, not what they look like.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    and so you (the theoretical you), would have legal recourse. That does not stop the action. Hence, no law really stops someone from doing what sociaty has deemed to be illegal.
    Duh, this is pointless and straw, since I never claimed it would.....that was your condition.

    What is more important is to raise our kids to respect all people, treat them as they would like to be treated, and judge people by thier actions, not what they look like.
    That is a non-sequitur and another duh.

    If we were perfect, we would need no law, since we would know the consequence of everything.

    But we are not, so the solution until then is to create law until we all know what is right.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    cpwill posted one clue as to the reason for the problems African Americans are experiencing in the cartoon thread. Here it is:
    Cpwill relies on the Bell Curve ideology, blaming minority issues on morality/inferiority based argument that ignores racism.

    It is denialism and racism in its highest form.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Cpwill relies on the Bell Curve ideology, blaming minority issues on morality/inferiority based argument that ignores racism.

    It is denialism and racism in its highest form.
    That would only be true if there were someone trying to keep African Americans from getting married.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That would only be true if there were someone trying to keep African Americans from getting married.
    There were/are lots of reasons for declines in marriage rates, few have anything to do with morality, most are economic reasons, and the declines are shared by all races starting in the 60's.

    You don't need to be a surrogate for cpwill, he and I have had our debate, he lost it.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    I voted 'other', that other being European (predominantly British) colonialism and early American society. It's what happened 150+ years ago that is responsible for what is happening now. Sure, measures put in place to improv the lot of African-Americans might be inadequate, and there's a small minority who don't want things to improve, but the answer's really history.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    There were/are lots of reasons for declines in marriage rates, few have anything to do with morality, most are economic reasons, and the declines are shared by all races starting in the 60's.

    You don't need to be a surrogate for cpwill, he and I have had our debate, he lost it.
    It's easy to win a debate when you're the one keeping score.
    But, you do have a point that there are economic reasons why poor black and white people don't get married, and those reasons tend to revolve around the welfare state. So, if you're going to argue that the welfare state is counter productive in the long run, you won't get much argument from me.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's easy to win a debate when you're the one keeping score.
    But, you do have a point that there are economic reasons why poor black and white people don't get married, and those reasons tend to revolve around the welfare state. So, if you're going to argue that the welfare state is counter productive in the long run, you won't get much argument from me.
    No, that is the Bell Curve argument, and it does not surprise me you like it.

    Did US welfare, "War on Poverty", begin in the 1950's?



    With declining rates through the ending of AFDC and other poverty programs, even through today, it is still due to "welfare"?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, that is the Bell Curve argument, and it does not surprise me you like it.

    Did US welfare, "War on Poverty", begin in the 1950's?



    With declining rates through the ending of AFDC and other poverty programs, even through today, it is still due to "welfare"?
    I don't know. It is logical to think that the war on poverty is a accelerating the decline in marriage.

    So, what do you think is causing the decline in married couples raising children? Surely, whatever that factor may be must be a large part of the reason why blacks and whites alike are living in poverty.
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