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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Blacks themselves. They encourage scapegoatism and "blaming whitey". If you're a success doing something besides ballin, slingin, or rappin, you're a sellout. If you speak coherently, you're "talking white". If you're black and support responsibility amongst your own, you're an Uncle Tom.

    Black culture does great at keeping their own people down and explaining who is to blame for it.
    that's probably the best answer. Poverty pimps like Sharpton and Jackson don't want blacks to solve the social pathologies plaguing their community because they extort money whining about "racism"



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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    African Americans, I have seen one doing the same job I did for over 4 years. Say to me on his first and only day at work "I aint no slave" i said "hey man i did that same job for over 4 years".

    what do i do at this point? he was hired to do a job but still felt like he was a slave. Whatever they have jesse and al not so sharpton telling them how they been oppressed.

    Now he was doing a job i did i made 8 an hour he was making 10 an hour. But hey bricklaying is tough work once you start out as a laborer. at the time i was a bricklayer already and was making a pretty good living. But he could not see past skin color total shame.
    White people never say "I ain't no slave"? I'm sure the idea was 'well, this isn't easy'. How ridiculous to have a 'story about a black person' in the first place.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Correct answer is not on the list. Crack.

    Prior to the introduction of crack, blacks were on track to equal whites in pay, housing, education and a whole host of other issues. Crack basically stopped that and they lost ground.

    that's an interesting claim that merits some examination. Before the LBJ "war on poverty" and Great Society, Black rates of illegitimacy was about the same as whites IIRC



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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You have a point. When a white person claims that something other than themselves is the cause for their lack of success, their claim might be justified. When a black person does the same, it can't possibly be justified
    That depends entirely upon the actions of the black person in question.

    If a person does the right thing, and is screwed over for it, they have my sympathy. Some ghetto gang-banger decrying "racism" as being behind his poverty, when he made the willful decision to drop out of school and turn to crime, does not.

    I see. When you said:

    the reaching out, taking and throttling you referred to meant "be clean cut, middle class, educated and have no criminal record"
    Yup. You play by the rules, you work hard, and you aim to make something of yourself.

    If a person is unwilling to do so, they have no right to complain.

    yes, and when millions of young adults all say the same thing, there must be something to it. Unlike when millions of black people say the same thing. Then, there's nothing to it.
    Again, when I see those black people actually making an effort to elevate their situation, rather than simply complaining about it, I will see about giving their complaints my ear.

    Why yes again! For the very first time in history, it's hard to find a job.
    Why yes again! It is harder to find a job right now than it has been in fifty years!

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, because if a black single mother doesn't earn much money, it proves that she's incapable of earning much money
    With no degree, a single income, and a child to support by herself?

    Yes.

    But if a white, clean cut, middle class young adult doesn't earn much money, it not his fault.
    It's called "earning potential." Look it up.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He should be a role model for anyone in this country, regardless of their color or his for that matter. Anyone in this country can rise to great things. You have to want it, and you have to work for it. Obama is actually also proof that you can go from food stamps to the White House in a few decades.
    Good lord. Where in the world do I even start with you.

    What does and does not make a "good role model" is pretty subjective so you may see someone as a poor role model but that may mean that your criteria is different. Your criteria of course not being universally accurate

    Anyone in the country can rise and do great things but it is incredibly more difficult for some than it is for others

    Everyone "wants it" failure to achieve does not automatically mean that they didn't "want it enough" but thanks Oprah.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, unless you can show that the racist beliefs of those black people can somehow explain the lack of success of white people
    There's a guy in the sports subforum that swears the NFL is against white receivers. Then there's all the sensationalism against white crimes and ignoring black crimes, all to make white people look bad and hide the race war. And there's AA, when a fine (but not diverse or disadvantaged) white person is denied entry to a college once if ever in a lifetime. Oooh, and don't forget, blacks can organize in their cause but white solidarity is frowned upon, that's oppression right there. Might have to change the name of the Redskins.

    They suffer.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, unless you can show that the racist beliefs of those black people can somehow explain the lack of success of white people
    To the contrary, they actually do far worse. They explain much of the lack of success of black people in the United States.

    If a person is unwilling to conform to the standards of the society around them (standards, I might add, which include such things as education, respect for civil society, and planning for one's future) due to the supposed "whiteness" of such pursuits, they can only expect to run into problems.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Whatever negative trends that occur within the black community, within America, are a product of American society. They don't exist apart from American culture, they are part of it.
    Statistically that is not so. To assert that race has no bearing on many social (cultural?) trends within the US is dishonest. What other group voted 90% for Obama?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    White people never say "I ain't no slave"? I'm sure the idea was 'well, this isn't easy'. How ridiculous to have a 'story about a black person' in the first place.
    Thats because i was telling the true story of an African American telling me how he was not a slave. same job i did for over 4 years, he worked one day never came back.
    i loved it work hard stayed in awesome shape built some muscle! Hot and hard work.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That depends entirely upon the actions of the black person in question.

    If a person does the right thing, and is screwed over for it, they have my sympathy. Some ghetto gang-banger decrying "racism" as being behind his poverty, when he made the willful decision to drop out of school and turn to crime, does not.
    Because the only people who believe that racism plays a role in the problems that black people experience are gang bangers

    Yup. You play by the rules, you work hard, and you aim to make something of yourself.

    If a person is unwilling to do so, they have no right to complain.
    Unless you're black. Then, your lack of success is due to the fact that you didn't reach out and take success the way the Irish did years ago (though for some reason, the youth today seem unable to do the same----but that's not their fault)

    Why yes again! It is harder to find a job right now than it has been in fifty years!
    But only for young people. Older people have no problems finding jobs. All they have to do is reach out and grab one. They make it happen!!
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