View Poll Results: Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    My point is that one who blames people for their own lack of success should apply that same standard to their own lack of success.
    That depends entirely upon whether the blame in question can be said to be justified.

    In the case of a clean cut Middle Class young adult who played by every rule society set out, earned a college degree, suffered no criminal record or black mark against them to speak of in the process, and even served their country overseas, there is a fair amount of leeway to complain. I was told that if I did certain things, I would achieve a certain result.

    So far, no such result has been forthcoming. Tens of millions of other young adults are in the exact same boat I am.

    It is a fairly new phenomena as well, which can be almost exclusively attributed to the state of the current US economy.

    That's not exactly the same thing as giving up on school "because it's a waste of time," knocking a girl up before you even turn 18, and using petty crime as an alternative source of income, while blaming "whitey" for one's circumstances the whole time. It is even less so when it can be shown for an absolute fact that no other group has these kinds of endemic problems.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    1. Systematic dismantling of African-American schools via racist policies of funding schools with property taxes.
    2. The racist war on drugs which creates single-parent homes and sends an astonishing number of blacks to prison.
    3. Insanely lax gun laws that allow young, education and opportunity-deprived black men to kill each other.
    4. KKKapitalism.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    And what exactly does "enough" mean
    More than five, less than a thousand.

    and why doesn't knowing these people who you wouldn't not describe in this way keep you from making such a claim
    Huh?

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I would agree with that but it wasn't a choice. I think that they've been misled by both black leadership and the Democrats who have a vested interest in keeping them poor as a voting block. Black leadership has really pushed the failed black culture and continues to do so. People like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have done more to harm blacks in America than any other source.
    How so?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Individuals are to blame for their problems today.
    Can you please explain this better?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The rise of single motherhood as the default African American family model undoubtedly played a large role in this as well.
    That of course implies that single mothers are intrinsically incapable of raising balanced children (fail)
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That goes both ways, unfortunately. There are plenty of African Americans out there who look at Caucasians as being "white" first and fellow citizens second.
    irrelevant
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Most blame? That's a hard one. All elements in the poll bear a portion of the blame for this unfortunate situation. However, as far as the largest portion, I think its most likely a result of internalized racism. In other words, the culture has yet to recover from decades of "you aren't good enough" and those attitudes need to be overcome. In today's world, I wouldn't give anyone that blame for causing it, as those people are pretty much dead, but the culture has yet to recover.

    Almost all the successful black folks I know and I become more than an acquaintance with have at one time told me that they participate in community outreach with the basic goal of telling young folks that they matter and have something to contribute to the world. If whole generations are being raised with the view that they don't, then that generation isn't going to try, but rather desire to check out. The fundamental issue is self esteem and confidence passed down generationally.
    You might be interested in reading about something called "Internalized Oppression" it's about how oppressed people (women being the example I learned this through) adopt or buying into the value judgments made of them.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    African Americans are not rape victims.
    Who says they are? They are the product of 300 years of social, cultural and economic destruction. That's a fact.

    Guess what, I'm predominantly Irish.
    Who cares? You're still not a member of a class of people who actually struggled much after being here. Within 50 years of Irish immigration into the US you were considered first class citizens. In 1964, while black people were still fighting just to get their civil rights, an Irishman had already been president.

    Cute cartoon. It doesn't mean anything.
    Of course it does. It has made this debate far more easy to use than the catch phrases you use to get likes on this thread. Look, it's simple - America, white America, thrived off the free labor provided by blacks for 150 years. It destroyed our culture, told us we were worthless and then sold us off for 100 years. Then, after it told us were all free and equal men, it denied us property and lynched those of us who stood against injustice for another 100 years. By the time the 1900s rolled around, it gave us inferior learning institutions, voting tests and denied us access to what every other ethnic group in this country had: wealth. So now, 50 years away from the time when that was all legal, we're supposed to be doing just as well as the rest? Haha, you're being silly.

    Gaining ground faster than they are today.
    Only that's not true, the roaring 20s as they were called were a decade of prosperity for well, damn near everyone who lived in cities. So the Harlem Renaissance was not only natural but expected. At the time however, it was criticized for being a cheap copy of European culture. What's I think is far more interesting though is the fact that your own source cites poverty as the declining factor in this movement:

    The Harlem Renaissance grew out of the changes that had taken place in the African-American community since the abolition of slavery, as well as the expansion of communities in the North. These accelerated as a consequence of World War I and the great social and cultural changes in early 20th-century United States. Industrialization was attracting people to cities from rural areas and gave rise to a new mass culture. Contributing factors leading to the Harlem Renaissance were the Great Migration of African Americans to northern cities, which concentrated ambitious people in places where they could encourage each other, and the First World War, which had created new industrial work opportunities for tens of thousands of people. Factors leading to the decline of this era include the Great Depression.
    The rest of black America? Living in poverty across the South and Midwest. What's sad about your 1920s argument is that it focuses on a time when the black community in one small neighborhood was thriving so that it can ignore the injustices being carried out elsewhere. How come blacks in Alabama, where Jim Crowe was in full force didn't have a Harlem renaissance? How come blacks in Louisiana didn't either? Blacks in Texas? Does it matter? The Harlem renaissance was a cultural movement not a political or economic one and by the time the Great Depression rolled around it was gone.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That of course implies that single mothers are intrinsically incapable of raising balanced children (fail)
    No. However, they are, by and large, certainly incapable of providing the same kind of financial stability and quantity of care that a two parent household tends to be.

    This plays into a great many other issues, such as not being able to send one's children to the best schools, not being able to provide the best quality medical care, not being able to afford to live in neighborhoods which might provide one's children the most positive environment for future success, not being able to spend the necessary amount of time raising, disciplining, motivating, and supervising one's children required to keep them out trouble, and etca.

    When one is talking about a group which tends to be somewhat disadvantaged to begin with, the damage this can cause is basically fatal to the goal of upward social mobility and material achievement.

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    irrelevant
    Racism is irrelevant?

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