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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I am not going to waste my time showing examples of racism in the US if you are going to come back with further denials that the examples are racism.


    So...

    Define racism so I can meet your definition.
    I'm just asking you to back up your claims, if you don't even know what it is that you're talking about, how can you make the claims? Everyone else recognizes the corner you've painted yourself into, why can't you?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And where in any of that did I say that racism absolutely does not exist? Funny, I can't find it.
    So you agree that racism exists? Good!

    Now prove it just as you asked gst to prove it
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Umm, it was CJ who complained about the wrong people being elected and I'm pretty sure that CJ is neither African nor American
    Wouldn't know, don't care. I never mentioned CJ specifically in any of my responses.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not interested -
    I understand. If I had stupidly claimed that black people were sending the wrong people to DC, as you did, I wouldn't be interested in talking about it either
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Wouldn't know, don't care. I never mentioned CJ specifically in any of my responses.
    Ahh! So as I suspected, you jumped in the middle of something to respond to a post you did not understand.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm just asking you to back up your claims, if you don't even know what it is that you're talking about, how can you make the claims? Everyone else recognizes the corner you've painted yourself into, why can't you?
    You are just dancing, I can show lots and lots, even from your neck of the woods that meet the definition in law, but if you don't agree with that standard....we have to come to some starting point.

    So as you said, put up...
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    All I see you saying is that "it must be true"

    But, in case you didn't notice, you just pointed out that the converse of what I said is also true (ie "being born to a wed mother does not mean the child has a father in their life") The fact that the father was wed to mother at the time the child was born says nothing about whether or not the father is involved in the child's life.
    By and large, the children of married parents (even after divorce) tend to have more stable home lives, and fare better in their own future prospects, than the children of single mothers who have never married. Starting off with married parents, or, conversely, waiting until one is married before having children themselves, can also be shown to result in markedly improved economic and social outcomes all the way around as well.

    This fact is self-evident. Frankly, even it weren't, it is backed up by majority consensus where the social sciences are concerned.

    Slate - Single Motherhood: Worse for children

    The excessive state of modern divorce is it's own issue, and one which raises a unique and troubling set of economic and social problems to be addressed.

    However, it does not excuse the impracticality of unwed single motherhood as a productive familial model. Wealthy single mothers doing it "all on their own," or benefiting from a committed live-in beau whom can be relied upon to stick around through thick and thin in spite of everything, range somewhere between a small minority of all cases, and an outright anomaly. They pretty much always have been, and there's no reason to assume this will change any time soon.

    Really, why would you expect anything different? It's basically an entire life style built around the idea that couples not only shouldn't have to stick together in the long term, but shouldn't expect or even want to do so.

    It simply isn't designed to be especially compatible with the idea of creating a stable family unit.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    So you're just as upset with abortion right? Try looking at the history of Planned Parenthood. You might be surprised to be what the liberals have been supporting all along.
    Well, first of all, no, I'm not "upset." Some of us are capable of looking at problems without losing control of our emotions. Foreign, I know.

    Planned Parenthood is subject to a lot of the same bureaucratic problems that any other large organization is, but apart from that, they're pretty straight.

    If you're referring to some of Sanger's questionable beliefs, first of all, she's been dead for an awfully long time and we've all moved on. Second, she really wasn't any worse than her surrounding culture. If you want to use that argument, I could just as easily say we should overthrow the Constitution because the founders didn't believe in rights for the poor, women, or black people. It's equally ridiculous. We simply updated the document, like PP updated as well.

    Myself and other pro-choicers don't support Sanger's fashionable social Darwinism by supporting the modern PP any more than an American patriot supports slavery and reducing women to legal children by going into the military. The fact that you folks have to resort to something so absurd says a lot about what shaky ground you really stand on.

    And the fact that you have to change the subject entirely to save some face shows that you're on even shakier ground on this particular issue (which is race in America, remember?).

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why? What positive comes from legalizing drugs? That's like saying why not legalize murder. Prove the net benefit.
    Prove the net benefit of keeping them illegal. Let alone, prove the net benefit of the death penalty as you would like it to be. Whatever the case, it is a matter of opinion about what works. IMO, your death penalty solution would have dire unintended consequences. And, I am sure you've already heard the arguments in favor of legalization.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm just asking you to back up your claims, if you don't even know what it is that you're talking about, how can you make the claims? Everyone else recognizes the corner you've painted yourself into, why can't you?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are just dancing, I can show lots and lots, even from your neck of the woods that meet the definition in law, but if you don't agree with that standard....we have to come to some starting point.

    So as you said, put up...
    It got quiet again...
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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