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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Single motherhood is on the rise for whites as well as blacks, and tends to be just as harmful.

    As a matter of fact, it has actually been linked by several economists to the shrinking Middle Class in our society, and the reduced upward social mobility we have experienced over the course of the last few decades.

    My post was a response to the notion that black people have only themselves to blame. I'm not making the argument that they are not responsible for their own problems. But to handwave away history...to say "It's all good now! It's been 150 years since the end of slavery!" is silly beyond word
    Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century. As a matter of fact, they were on the fast track to success, like any other immigrant or minority group.

    They only began to backslide after the 1970s, when the Great Society Program sent Government dependency shooting through the roof, the political idea of "black victim-hood" came into vogue, and the structure of black families began to break down.

    Every immigrant group to enter the United States has had to give up their culture, language, and old country family structure (or at least they did, before 'multi-culturalism' became all the rage) in order to integrate into American society. They all managed to succeed in spite of it.

    I'm sorry, but "we were slaves a couple of hundred years ago" simply isn't a valid excuse for current under-performance.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    To an extent yes, but I take a broader view.
    I understand what you're saying.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Am I reading that right? Does that say almost 3 out of every 4 black babies are born to single mothers?
    Yup. Insane, innit?

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century.
    Tell me you didn't just say that.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Sure, but the rates a very different.
    And whose fault is that? The poor white community doesn't punish whites for trying to get out of the ghetto. The poor Hispanic community doesn't call Hispanics who try to better themselves "Uncle Tomas". It's only the black community who turns on their own for trying to be successful.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Tell me you didn't just say that.
    Look at the figures. African Americans made their greatest social and economic gains in American Society prior to the 1970s.

    They have largely stalled since then.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Look at the figures. African Americans made their greatest social and economic gains in American Society prior to the 1970s.

    They have largely stalled since then.
    Are you implying that African americans were better off under Jim Crow laws?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Again, the simple fact of the matter is that they were doing just fine for themselves right up until the mid Twentieth Century. As a matter of fact, they were on the fast track to success, like any other immigrant or minority group.

    They only began to backslide after the 1970s, when the Great Society Program sent Government dependency shooting through the roof, the political idea of "black victim-hood" came into vogue, and the structure of black families began to break down.

    Every immigrant group to enter the United States has had to give up their culture, language, and old country family structure (or at least they did, before 'multi-culturalism' became all the rage) in order to integrate into American society. They all managed to succeed in spite of it.

    I'm sorry, but "we were slaves a couple of hundred years ago" simply isn't a valid excuse for current under-performance.
    100 years ago no woman could be Secretary of State, a senator, a congressperson, a CEO, etc. Good thing Hillary Clinton, Condi Rice, Nancy Pelosi, Meg Whitman and many many others didn't attempt to use that excuse for going after what they wanted to achieve.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And whose fault is that? The poor white community doesn't punish whites for trying to get out of the ghetto. The poor Hispanic community doesn't call Hispanics who try to better themselves "Uncle Tomas". It's only the black community who turns on their own for trying to be successful.
    Exactly. On the contrary, I think you could make the argument that those 2 groups you mentioned applaud people from their groups who try to succeed and rise out of poverty.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    No it wasn't. The drug laws (and the subsequent "war on drugs") targets drug users. The enforcement of these laws may be a different story, but the intent of the drug laws and the "war on drugs" was not to "target minorities" as you seem to proclaim.
    Anyone who doesn't want to be targeted by drug enforcement shouldn't use drugs to begin with.
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