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Thread: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Maybe...some were white too....


    Whew, that was close! She almost had a child out of wedlock.

    There's a few others too.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Single motherhood is on the rise for whites as well as blacks, and tends to be just as harmful.

    As a matter of fact, it has actually been linked by several economists to the shrinking Middle Class in our society, and the reduced upward social mobility we have experienced over the course of the last few decades.

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    Anyone who thinks that forcibly removing a people from their home and systematically dismantling their names, language, belief system and family structure isn't going to have disastrous generations-long consequences is kidding themselves at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
    The vast majority of African Americans in the United States have been here for two centuries at least, and all have been free of slavery for at least one hundred and fifty years. That's plenty of time to establish a language, belief system, and a cohesive family structure, or integrate into those utilized by society at large.

    Quite frankly, right up until the 1970s, they had all three of the former, and were well on their way towards cinching the latter.

    African Americans, for whatever reason, simply happen to have largely "dismantled" their own pre-existing culture and family structure over the course of the last few decades. The Dems bear some blame for that, in supporting policies which made this negative transition easier. The GOP might very well bear some blame as well in their overly-enthusiastic pursuit of the "drug war."

    However, the major impetus for that change has always come from the black community itself, and always will. Until the attitudes which make this state of affairs possible reverse themselves on some fundamental level, the problem isn't going to be going away any time soon either.

    Any which way you want to look at it, the bottom line here is that if the black community wants to get ahead, they are going to have to do it for themselves. No one can do it for them.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans??

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    A few of the boys (dare I say maybe even a majority) in my class were eager to let everyone know that they were already gang members who sold drugs for a living and an education was not relevant to their lives. Their aspirations in life never went beyond that.
    There were some kids in my school like that, except they were white and the gang they belonged to was neither the Crips nor the Bloods.

    I blame Nixon for that.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He's living proof that any black person can rise to the pinnacle, if that black person wants it enough - and works for it. He's one of many.
    Any black person? Ha ha, no. Where you come from (economically, geographically, family-support, availability of good education, genetically, etc. etc. etc.) are all variables that will raise and lower your likelihood of such success.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I would like everyone to do something.

    And I would like their efforts to focus on treating everyone in the USA with the same respect that they expect from others.
    I'm pretty sure that would make a difference for everyone.

    I'm also pretty sure we aren't going to see it happen any time soon.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Any black person? Ha ha, no. Where you come from (economically, geographically, family-support, availability of good education, genetically, etc. etc. etc.) are all variables that will raise and lower your likelihood of such success.
    Obama's mother was on food stamps. His father wasn't at all active in his life. He made it in spite of this.

    There are many black men who are born into absolute poverty and are successful today. Just as there are many white people who were born into poverty and are successful today.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans??

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wow, that bolded part is really depressing. If those boys grew up to be gang members who sold drugs, they are responsible for their own failures.
    I think a person has to look at it from their point of view. When they look around at their parents, siblings, neighbors, ect. and all they see is struggling people living in poverty and then they see that drug dealer down the road with the slightly better home and a flashy car and cash in his pocket it may be no wonder they decide to chose that route. It is sad they have no other role models in their community to set as an example.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans??

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I think a person has to look at it from their point of view. When they look around at their parents, siblings, neighbors, ect. and all they see is struggling people living in poverty and then they see that drug dealer down the road with the slightly better home and a flashy car and cash in his pocket it may be no wonder they decide to chose that route. It is sad they have no other role models in their community to set as an example.
    If you could say that everyone who grew up in poverty did that, then it would be true. But not everyone who is born into poverty wants to stay there. So the boys who said that when you were young were taking the coward's way out, and the others in their community aren't to blame. JMO.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    The title is evident. Who is the MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans today??
    Gee - African Americans have problems? After 5 plus years in the White House of the transformative Presidency? After about 95% of all African Americans who cast their votes voted to elect and reelect that self-same transformative figure? After upwards of 90% of all African Americans who cast ballots in federal elections have been voting Democrat for decades and decades?

    Gee - if they have any problems, do you think maybe it might have something to do with the people they keep sending to the party in Washington DC?
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I didn't want to pass the buck. Just because they talk the loudest and stand on the tallest boxes, doesn't make them "leaders". They're snake oil salesmen. They can talk, but blacks don't have to listen, nor do they have to lend credence to those words.
    Oh, I'm not trying to pass the buck, ultimately everyone out there is personally responsible for what they allow into their heads. People like Jackson and Sharpton and preachers like Jeremiah Wright have a platform to speak from and their position within the community gives them an unearned position of authority. People listen to them and most of them have an agenda that falls outside of simply trying to help their brethren. They're out to make money and garner political and social power on the backs of those they pretend to care about. They can't force people to accept the mind poison but they certainly are an effective delivery method for spreading it.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Single motherhood is on the rise for whites as well as blacks, and tends to be just as harmful.

    As a matter of fact, it has actually been linked by several economists to the shrinking Middle Class in our society, and the reduced upward social mobility we have experienced over the course of the last few decades.



    The vast majority of African Americans in the United States have been here for two centuries at least, and all have been free of slavery for at least one hundred and fifty years. That's plenty of time to establish a language, belief system, and a cohesive family structure, or integrate into the those utilized by society at large.

    Quite frankly, right up until the 1970s, they had all three of the former, and were well on their way towards the latter.

    African Americans simply happen to have largely "dismantled" their own culture and family structure over the course of the last few decades. The Dems bear some blame for that, in supporting policies which made this negative transition easier, and the GOP might very well bear some blame as well in their pursuit of the "drug war."

    However, the major impetus for that change has always come from the black community itself, and always will. Until the attitudes which make it possible change on some fundamental level, the bleak reality of the matter is that the problem isn't ever going to go away.

    Either way you want to look at it, the bottom line here is that if the black community wants to get ahead, they are going to have to do it for themselves. No one can do it for them.
    The thing I was alluding to was the fact that people believe this promiscuity thing is something of a recent phenomenon among blacks, it's been going on for quite some time, and it isn't restricted to primarily one race or ethnicity of people. It's been going on forever.

    One of the reasons I picked Dale Evans was because she probably became pregnant at age 14 and nearly had a child out of wedlock. Guess who hired her for her motion picture debut?

    One other early star had a child out of wedlock too, she was also a white person, and she was hired by the same studios, her name escapes me now because I deleted her information from my bookmarks a while back.

    So this problem isn't only a black thing, whites are affected by it too.

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