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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    And this is where you would be wrong (in bold). The drug laws (I do not agree with them at all) target drug users. If minorities are the highest percentage of drug users, they will be the ones convicted more often. There's nothing racist about the drug laws, sorry.
    The enforcement of them IS, which has been shown many times. The use rate is not that different, the arrest rate is
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans??

    I chose black leadership - I mean Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are pretty much a given as failed leadership but it is so much more than that. I am talking about parents, teachers, businessmen, ect. they are all failing the younger generation.


    Long story short, I attended a ultra poor predominantly black school for a year when I was 12. I observed quite a few differences from what I was used to in both school facility and students. The first thing that I noticed was they were lagging very far behind in the curriculum being taught. They were teaching things I had covered 2-3+ years prior, I felt like I was in 3rd grade again and not the 6th. I was amazed at just how far behind they were. This gave me ample time to be more observant of the environment and some of the things I noticed were the attitudes of both teachers and students were remarkably different. The teachers (which were also black) seemed to talk down to the students and acted as if they were attempting to train a rock. They showed very little inspiration or expectation out of their students. It was if they felt they were wasting their time and they were just going threw the motions.

    The students themselves had a different outlook. Many (not all) seemed to view education as a waste of time that it would not benefit them in life. They seemed to believe that their lives were pre determined and that they would live the same lives that their parents lived which was a very poor life with seemingly no opportunities to better it. It appeared to them that school was simply something they were forced to do and they did not strive to excel at it. They did as little as they could get by with.

    A few of the boys (dare I say maybe even a majority) in my class were eager to let everyone know that they were already gang members who sold drugs for a living and an education was not relevant to their lives. Their aspirations in life never went beyond that.

    So I blame the black leaders within the community (or lack of) for failing to set and show examples of success and the importance of education and striving to become something better. Until hope is shown to them I feel each generation will largely be lost.
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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The enforcement of them IS, which has been shown many times. The use rate is not that different, the arrest rate is
    This is true, the implementation is sorely flawed, but I cannot find blame in the law itself, but in the actions of law enforcement.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    And this is where you would be wrong (in bold). The drug laws (I do not agree with them at all) target drug users. If minorities are the highest percentage of drug users, they will be the ones convicted more often. There's nothing racist about the drug laws, sorry.
    If the largest percentage of drug users are in fact white people (and they are) and the highest percentage of convicted felons are minorities, that would indicate a disproportionate focus by the legal/enforcement system on minorities.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, we have had drug laws much longer. So has almost everywhere. I am talking about the complex of drug conviction we have -- the official "drag war" -- which is largely responsible for us having some of the highest incarceration rates in the world, and which seems to target minorities.
    There is no separate war on drugs that started with Nixon. Nixon was just the first person to call it a war on drugs.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The enforcement of them IS, which has been shown many times. The use rate is not that different, the arrest rate is
    OK, but that's not what was stated.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Not if it's true.
    That does not negate what I said, it CAN be racist to place blame when the "reason" is bigotry.
    Only race baiters find racism where it doesn't exist.
    No, and you should avoid absolutes, they rarely hold true.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    OK, but that's not what was stated.
    Yes, it was.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    He'll no doubt be a role model for black people who believe that rising that high is impossible.
    He should be a role model for anyone in this country, regardless of their color or his for that matter. Anyone in this country can rise to great things. You have to want it, and you have to work for it. Obama is actually also proof that you can go from food stamps to the White House in a few decades.

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    Re: Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The enforcement of them IS, which has been shown many times. The use rate is not that different, the arrest rate is
    And the information is heterogeneous, lacking in variability such as type of drug? If anyone says "crack is penalized harder than pot because crack is a black drug" is going to be incessantly mocked.

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