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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    "God" to the Founders was whatever or whomever anybody wished to make of it, and was reference to the power, intelligence, or universal truth of the source of all that humankind was intended to be. Historically it was the power drawn on to do great things, to claim the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness unopposed by any despot, dictator, monarch, feudal lord, pope, or any other who would assign the rights to the people. And the Founders, pretty much to a man, even the Atheists, believed the Constitution would not work for any other than a mostly moral and religious people.

    So the concept, sans any mandate of how one much view God and sans any mandate of how one must express his/her religious beliefs, is firmly entrenched in our foundations, our history, our motto, and our heritage. And for that reason, I have no problem with it being in the Pledge of Allegiance. Nor do I have any problem with the Pledge itself, because without allegiance to our language, borders, culture, we cease to be the America that the Founders intended.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    "God" to the Founders was whatever or whomever anybody wished to make of it, and was reference to the power, intelligence, or universal truth of the source of all that humankind was intended to be. Historically it was the power drawn on to do great things, to claim the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness unopposed by any despot, dictator, monarch, feudal lord, pope, or any other who would assign the rights to the people. And the Founders, pretty much to a man, even the Atheists, believed the Constitution would not work for any other than a mostly moral and religious people.

    So the concept, sans any mandate of how one much view God and sans any mandate of how one must express his/her religious beliefs, is firmly entrenched in our foundations, our history, our motto, and our heritage. And for that reason, I have no problem with it being in the Pledge of Allegiance. Nor do I have any problem with the Pledge itself, because without allegiance to our language, borders, culture, we cease to be the America that the Founders intended.
    Nope the pledge of allegiance refers to a Christian god and was added in the 80's to be anti soviet. There's no way around that.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    My vote should read "Hell No"

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    I am somewhat opposed to the pledge (as a whole) for religious reasons; I am concerned that it might be a form of idolatry to pledge allegiance to an inanimate object.


    But as long as no one is compelled to recite it, no big deal.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I voted no, I am really starting to despise Christians and all their hypocrisy and sensitivity about everything. So I am starting to believe that this crap they are adamant about should be stamped out.
    Why the attack on Christians? It says one nation under God not one nation under Jesus Christ our lord and savior. "God" is a pretty generic term.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by LovingCommie View Post
    Nope the pledge of allegiance refers to a Christian god and was added in the 80's to be anti soviet. There's no way around that.
    It might have meant that to some when it was added in 1954, just nine years after the original Pledge was adopted, not the 80's, but there was absolutely no requirement of any kind that you were required to see it as either Christian or anti-soviet or anything else. All 50 state Constitutions, 48 or 49 in their Preambles, refer to God or a Creator/higher power, again in reference to the historical concept of a universal truth that the nation was founded on. Nobody is required to believe that such God is a person or to worship that God in any way, shape, or form. Nor is anybody allowed to be forbidden to do so.

    It is a historical concept, not a principle of religious belief.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Nope. It shouldnt be there. Hell, it was only put there in the 1950's (i believe) because of fear of communism.


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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by LovingCommie View Post
    If kids can't legally consent to anything they shouldn't be forced to make any sort of pledge.



    That's exactly what I believe.

    The time to take a pledge or swear an oath is when you join the military.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the words 'under God' are in the pledge and anyone is forced to say it, that's a violation of the 1st Amendment.
    You could make that point and be probably correct(though I doubt SCOTUS would agree), but it comes back to my point about picking battles. Wasting time on a probably futile effort to get 2 words out of the pledge that probably have almost no effect on any one is not really a good idea. I think that time would be better spent on efforts to keep creationism out of science classes and other efforts to inject god where he isn't. Just because you are in the right on an issue does not make that issue worth pursuing.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    I agree, I was just trying to make that point.

    I won't be wasting any time on this, I have a lot of better things to do.

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