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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    I think we should change it to: "Whatever it is, wherever it is, you didn't built it, you didn't earn it, and you don't deserve it. So take what we give you and sit down and shut up."

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    You want to pledge to **** atheists? Well you're not my type but I'm sure we could find an nice atheist guy who'd help you fulfill your commitment.
    Dude, you need to lighten up. That was for militant atheist consumption in a thread that I find ridiculous and petty.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dude, you need to lighten up. That was for militant atheist consumption in a thread that I find ridiculous and petty.
    I need to lighten up? I was making a joke. There's a LOL smilie and everything.

    So, do you want us to find you that hook-up or not?

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Didn't like that I proved my point, huh?
    I don't think you proved your point though, assuming that your main point was that you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    ...think it amounts to exactly what the people who changed it intended it to be: indoctrination of children that proper Americans believe in god.
    I, and my family, are irreligious/agnostic.

    My kid says the Pledge in school every single day.

    He has yet to come home and insist we find religion, or engage me in a discussion of religion along any lines.

    I think adults, primarily liberals/atheists find meaning in the Pledge that children just don't.

    For children it's more a form of nationalistic indoctrination/acculturation: "I love my country".

    And I don't think there's anything wrong with that when you're dealing with school children.

    As kids get older, head off to college and decide they want to smoke dope, bathe in patchouli, worship "Che" Guevara, and curse American exceptionalism and soft empire, I say, more power to them.

    But I think it's important that they love the country first, and then want to change it into something that more closely aligns with the philosophical ideal of "America" than that they're taught from the age of five onward that American is really only two steps removed from the Third Reich.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    I care more about its requirements in school than I do two words within it.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I need to lighten up? I was making a joke. There's a LOL smilie and everything.

    So, do you want us to find you that hook-up or not?
    Sorry, missed that.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    i think the notion of the pledge is anti-American to begin with but if we are taking things out we should take out "and liberty and justice for all" because it is lying.

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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    I ususally just customize it by intoning "One nation,under the most unmerciful and terrible all potent God of the night Tezcatipoca, indivisible......". I just wish I didn't have to say it so fast when others are present as it deducts from its inherently melifluous qualities.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Since the words were not originally in the pledge until America got its collective panties in a twist over communism, I'd say the words should NOT be in there.

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    But those were Godless commies out to steal our precious bodily fluids,Dragonfly.

    Don't forget that.
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    Re: "Under God" in pledge of allegiance?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I don't think you proved your point though, assuming that your main point was that you:



    I, and my family, are irreligious/agnostic.

    My kid says the Pledge in school every single day.

    He has yet to come home and insist we find religion, or engage me in a discussion of religion along any lines.

    I think adults, primarily liberals/atheists find meaning in the Pledge that children just don't.

    For children it's more a form of nationalistic indoctrination/acculturation: "I love my country".

    And I don't think there's anything wrong with that when you're dealing with school children.

    As kids get older, head off to college and decide they want to smoke dope, bathe in patchouli, worship "Che" Guevara, and curse American exceptionalism and soft empire, I say, more power to them.

    But I think it's important that they love the country first, and then want to change it into something that more closely aligns with the philosophical ideal of "America" than that they're taught from the age of five onward that American is really only two steps removed from the Third Reich.
    That doesn't mean it wasn't intended as indoctrination. You are simply arguing that it is ineffective indoctrination.
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