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Do independents think they are cool?[W:43]

Do independents think they are cool?

  • yes

    Votes: 21 77.8%

  • no

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Total voters
    27
Re: Do independents think they are cool?

Beaudreaux said:
I'm a Goldwater Republican. We used to be a dying breed. We're coming back, and the end is now behind us. The religious right has gone too far, and as called on by Goldwater in the following quote... I'll not stop fighting the insanity:



The religious right has co-opted much of the Tea Party. Tea stood for Taxed Enough Already... something that Goldwater could even get behind, because he said the following:



In addition to the above, he also said on the subject:



And:



We need more Goldwater Constitutional Common Sense and less ideological rhetoric.
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I totally agree, I always considered Goldwater my political mentor. Then I went campaigning for Ross Perot, so these days I am a mixture of both. You are correct, the Tea Party has been hijacked to a certain extent by the religious right. If they had stuck to fiscal issues, I doubt if there would be the animosity towards them that there is today.

There has been quite a lot of talk on this site about citizen united ruling by the SCOTUS, here is what Barry had to say:

In order to achieve the widest possible distribution of political power, financial contributions to political campaigns should be made by individuals and individual alone. I see no reason for labor unions -- or corporations--to participate in politics. Both were created for economic purposes and their activities should be restricted accordingly.
 
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Perotista said:
I totally agree, I always considered Goldwater my political mentor. Then I went campaigning for Ross Perot, so these days I am a mixture of both. You are correct, the Tea Party has been hijacked to a certain extent by the religious right. If they had stuck to fiscal issues, I doubt if there would be the animosity towards them that there is today.

There has been quite a lot of talk on this site about citizen united ruling by the SCOTUS, here is what Barry had to say:

In order to achieve the widest possible distribution of political power, financial contributions to political campaigns should be made by individuals and individual alone. I see no reason for labor unions -- or corporations--to participate in politics. Both were created for economic purposes and their activities should be restricted accordingly.
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Very simple response to the above... :applaud
 
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Anytime I see someone that labels themselves a part of the big two parties I almost automatically assume that they are going to be bias and close minded to opposing views/parties. While this is unfair I do think it accurately describes the majority of the party followers.
 
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99percenter said:
It's like people that use macs. They think they are cool for no reason. Everyone else is a sheeple. I think the biggest culprit are the nutjobs that support ron paul.
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That would be Libertarians, not independents. And how dare you criticize Ron Paul. He is the sexiest candidate in American history with two first names. I dare you to refute that fact without your pants spontaneously combusting and your nose mysteriously elongating to Pinnochio-like lengths. DARE you.

NOW WHO'S A NUTJOB???

I am. And don't you forget it.
 
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radcen said:
Of course they do... and so do partisan conservatives and so do partisan liberals.



I purposely will not align myself with a party, even for primary voting purposes. As a result I do miss out on the primaries in my state, but that's a small price to pay for maintaining my integrity.



I do not favor open primaries simply as a matter of principle. People of one party should not have influence over another party's candidate in a general election.
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Open primaries help keep the fringe element from getting in.

We had a rather hairy situation here where I live this year in the primaries. One of the offices up for grabs at the county level was property valuation administrator. All the candidates were on the democratic ticket, and the person who won the primary will run unopposed in November. That means that one party elected the PVA in my county. PVA is an office that affects every property owner in this county and everyone should have had the opportunity to vote on it. IMO there should be no party affiliations below the state level. What he now have is a person who is in the position to impact our property taxes and half the people of the county didn't even have a say in who it is.
 
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I vote for WHOEVER I think will do the best job, is the most forthright, honest, and generally, a decent human being.

That criteria has, so far, ruled out the majority of all candidates, and 100% of the candidates from the two main parties. It doesn't make cool. It makes me sad. That my standards are so low, yet so unattainable by what we're told is the best our country has to offer.

Driving a 400hp, 450tq 76 vette with side exhaust and handles like it's on rails makes me cool.
 
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KevinKohler said:
I vote for WHOEVER I think will do the best job, is the most forthright, honest, and generally, a decent human being.

That criteria has, so far, ruled out the majority of all candidates, and 100% of the candidates from the two main parties. It doesn't make cool. It makes me sad. That my standards are so low, yet so unattainable by what we're told is the best our country has to offer.

Driving a 400hp, 450tq 76 vette with side exhaust and handles like it's on rails makes me cool.
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The last perfect person died on a cross 2000 years ago. I feel so sorry for you.
 
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Maenad said:
The last perfect person died on a cross 2000 years ago. I feel so sorry for you.
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So, by my saying decent human being, you read "perfect"?

And YOURE sorry for ME?
 
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KevinKohler said:
I vote for WHOEVER I think will do the best job, is the most forthright, honest, and generally, a decent human being.

That criteria has, so far, ruled out the majority of all candidates, and 100% of the candidates from the two main parties. It doesn't make cool. It makes me sad. That my standards are so low, yet so unattainable by what we're told is the best our country has to offer.

Driving a 400hp, 450tq 76 vette with side exhaust and handles like it's on rails makes me cool.
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At my age I don't give a care about looking cool. Now being comfortable, that is what it is all about.

As for voting, I make sure a candidate earns my vote. I don't give it away just because a candidate has an R or a D next to their name like a whole bunch of people do.
 
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Perotista said:
At my age I don't give a care about looking cool. Now being comfortable, that is what it is all about.

As for voting, I make sure a candidate earns my vote. I don't give it away just because a candidate has an R or a D next to their name like a whole bunch of people do.
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Get yourself a Cadillac CTS-V. Then you're both.
 
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KevinKohler said:
Get yourself a Cadillac CTS-V. Then you're both.
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My GMC Envoy and my old pickup suits me just fine. Both get me from point A to point B just fine and the pickup totes whatever I want toted to wherever I want it. Comfortable and reliable, that is the name of the game for me.
 
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In CT you have to be registered with a party in order to vote in the primaries. I'm a registered Republican but I only vote Republican ~60% of the time. I have a friend who's registered as unaffiliated and insists that I have no independent thoughts because I'm registered with a party. I'm supposedly brainwashed and believe every little thing that my party tells me, even though I often vote against them. He also claims that being unaffiliated proves that he's 100% non-partisan, even though he votes for the Democrats 99% of the time and refuses to criticize Obama about anything. He even defended Obama's opposition to SSM.
 
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99percenter said:
It's like people that use macs. They think they are cool for no reason. Everyone else is a sheeple. I think the biggest culprit are the nutjobs that support ron paul.
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The Pauls are actually Libertarians. Independents do not support them in large numbers.

I'm an Independent. There's a reason for that. I don't like either party. I will also vote for one party or the other, depending. I don't fully support the platform for either party. So I'm an Independent in actuality, whether I call myself that or not.

People who are firmly Democrats or Republicans don't understand not joining their teams. I guess they don't have enough people to hate that they want to throw in the guys in the middle and hate them,too, "just because." Like I said, both parties are silly. Both parties are also owned by corporate America. I'm proud to say that no, I am not a Democrat and I am not a Republican. It just drives them crazy that I can't be pigeon holed.
 
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JumpinJack said:
The Pauls are actually Libertarians. Independents do not support them in large numbers.
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A number of Libertarians on here have been trashing Rand Paul lately.
As he tries to broaden his appeal, he's being accused of selling out on just about everything.
Kind of the Cantor thing, where the GOP is now strong-TEA versus shut-the-gov't-down-TEA .
 
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JumpinJack said:
I guess they don't have enough people to hate that they want to throw in the guys in the middle and hate them,too, "just because." Like I said, both parties are silly. Both parties are also owned by corporate America. I'm proud to say that no, I am not a Democrat and I am not a Republican. It just drives them crazy that I can't be pigeon holed.
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Yet for President and most meaningful offices, you either vote for them or your vote is meaningless .
 
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99percenter said:
It's like people that use macs. They think they are cool for no reason. Everyone else is a sheeple. I think the biggest culprit are the nutjobs that support ron paul.
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What I find disturbing, how many independents when registering to vote check the box of the Independent Party which is recognized in many states and it's a legitimate political party with a platform and all and does run candidates for political offices in many states.

That's not being cool, that showing how stupid they are.
 
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NIMBY said:
Yet for President and most meaningful offices, you either vote for them or your vote is meaningless .
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I ALWAYS vote. I pick whichever one I think can do the best job, taking into consideration the most important issues to me at the time, as well as the whole country. Sometimes it's the lesser of two evils.

I think you're assuming that Independents vote for third parties. That's not the case. They usu. vote for one of the two major parties. Besides, that's usually the only choices. BEING independent does not mean belonging to an "Independent Party." There is no Independent Party in my state, I, personally, am independent (small "i").

This goes to my statement that people who belong to the two major parties don't understand people who don't. They assume they must belong to SOME party. But they don't. Being independent merely means you are not aligned with a party.
 
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APACHERAT said:
What I find disturbing, how many independents when registering to vote check the box of the Independent Party which is recognized in many states and it's a legitimate political party with a platform and all and does run candidates for political offices in many states.

That's not being cool, that showing how stupid they are.
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That would mean it's the name of a third party in that state. I don't see why that would upset you.
 
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Do they drive them there new fangled Saturns or Subarus too? :lol:
 
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mpg said:
In CT you have to be registered with a party in order to vote in the primaries. I'm a registered Republican but I only vote Republican ~60% of the time. I have a friend who's registered as unaffiliated and insists that I have no independent thoughts because I'm registered with a party. I'm supposedly brainwashed and believe every little thing that my party tells me, even though I often vote against them. He also claims that being unaffiliated proves that he's 100% non-partisan, even though he votes for the Democrats 99% of the time and refuses to criticize Obama about anything. He even defended Obama's opposition to SSM.
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That's patently ridiculous. Now, I do know some people who fit that mold, and I tend to refer to those people as "extreme", but most do not. Merely being affiliated with a party does not automatically equal lack of independent thought.

I choose to not affiliate with a party because, IMO, both parties have long abandoned anything other than it's own party structure as its concern long ago, and I don't want either party even pointing to me as a number on a list and claiming that they have my support when in fact they do not.
 
APACHERAT said:
What I find disturbing, how many independents when registering to vote check the box of the Independent Party which is recognized in many states and it's a legitimate political party with a platform and all and does run candidates for political offices in many states.

That's not being cool, that showing how stupid they are.
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I am not registered to any party, nor is there an "Independent party" in my state. I was republican, but then on the state level and nationally, they put so many bat-sh** crazy people in, that I re registered as no party. In my state, I can vote in the primary, I just have to request a ballot from one of the parties. I would prefer an "at large" election, where everyone is on the same primary ballot, and the two candidates who get the most votes will go to the regular election.
 
JumpinJack said:
That would mean it's the name of a third party in that state. I don't see why that would upset you.
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Not that upset that there are tens of thousands of "independents" in my state who believe they don't belong to any organized political party but registered to vote as a member of the "Independent Party."

What concerns me these people might be participating in our elections and voting.

It's a dead giveaway. "Independent" is capitalized, a proper noun. There was a time when anyone with an 8th grade education would know this.

I remember over on the old Politco Community Forum where members listed their political registration or ideology/lean and when it was pointed out that "Independent" was capitalized and was a proper noun as if it was the Independent Party that is recognized in many states, hundreds changed their profile to N/A.

But with open primaries like California now has it really doesn't matter I suppose since Groucho Marxist can now vote in a primary and decide who should win a political party's primary and run with a "R." "D," "I," "Green," etc. behind their name.
 
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