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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That may be. If one looked at Clinton, a draft dodger and a womanizer it would be hard to take him too serious. Perot withdrew and came back. I continued to support him, but a lot of the enthusiasm was gone and quite a lot of energy spent too. You might be on to something there, not taking his competition seriously. I watch his campaign, I kept on wondering if he really didn't care, but if you think you got it made, will win in a cake walk, that is very possible.
    Hillary made the same error in judgment - and lost. And it appears that a lot of the enthusiasm she garnered back then has dwindled over the years, also. Time will tell.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That may be. If one looked at Clinton, a draft dodger and a womanizer it would be hard to take him too serious. Perot withdrew and came back. I continued to support him, but a lot of the enthusiasm was gone and quite a lot of energy spent too. You might be on to something there, not taking his competition seriously. I watch his campaign, I kept on wondering if he really didn't care, but if you think you got it made, will win in a cake walk, that is very possible.
    I really do think Bush thought it was going to be a cake walk. Unless a president really screws up badly like Carter did, it's hard to beat an incumbent...but that incumbent still has to take the race seriously.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hillary made the same error in judgment - and lost. And it appears that a lot of the enthusiasm she garnered back then has dwindled over the years, also. Time will tell.
    The Democrats have a lot of enthusiasm for her. But as early as it is, no one of any stature has surfaced to give them a credible alternative. I have said many times that I do not think Hillary will be their parties nominee. A fresh young face won everything for the Democrats in 2008 whereas the old hat politicians lost for them in 2000 and in 2004. Hillary has been on a downward spiral since she left as Secretary of state. Her favorable rating was around 63%, an outstanding rating. But Gallup latest on her puts her at 54%. That is still pretty darn good and probably good enough to win any presidential election, if it stays at that number. But her trend is down, not up and not staying the same.

    I think she is starting to grate on people. but as you stated, Time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Hillary made the same error in judgment - and lost. And it appears that a lot of the enthusiasm she garnered back then has dwindled over the years, also. Time will tell.
    Hillary thought she would simply be crowned with the nomination. I think if she runs in 2016, she is in for major humiliation. Her real shot was supposed to come in 2004. Bush won by the slimmest of margins and she felt that he would be unremarkable and without a mandate. The terrorist attacks of 9/11/01 changed that. The country rallied around the president and she knew 2004 was gone. Her backup plan was to run in 2008.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I really do think Bush thought it was going to be a cake walk. Unless a president really screws up badly like Carter did, it's hard to beat an incumbent...but that incumbent still has to take the race seriously.
    Yes, I see what you mean. Bush the first not taking his opponents seriously could leave the impression that he didn't care if he won or lost. I think Clinton, Bush the second and Obama were vulnerable and beatable on their second run. But one must have the right candidate. Reagan, not even George Washington could have beaten him. Eisenhower was in the same boat with Reagan, no one the Democrats had to offer could have beaten him in 1996 either.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Yes, I think I'm cool.

    I want to avoid strict ideology as much as I can. The reason for that is that I don't believe the world operates according to invented political ideologies; and that the human world -- and it's derivative systems, institutions, economies, etc. -- are in a constant state of change. So what public policies work today, may not always work tomorrow. Societies have and will always change. Thus rather than being bogged down in a set ideology, I want to strive to support the "best" solution as possible. That's not is what is "best" in accordance to preconceived ideological assertions of truth, but in respect to what is actually happening in this world.
    libertarian is an ideology...as well as a party. Has a platform and everything. If there's such a thing as a true independent, i either haven't met any or they get dismissed as psychotic/antisocial.

    I like your attitude, but to actually put it into practice is easier said than done

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    libertarian is an ideology...as well as a party. Has a platform and everything. If there's such a thing as a true independent, i either haven't met any or they get dismissed as psychotic/antisocial.

    I like your attitude, but to actually put it into practice is easier said than done
    It's what I closest match up with. I do not adhere to strict libertarianism, but embrace a form of consequentialism: Consequentialist libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    I don't think Independents are cool, I frickin know we are.
    I have CDO, it's like OCD but the letters are in alphabetical order like they should be.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yes, I see what you mean. Bush the first not taking his opponents seriously could leave the impression that he didn't care if he won or lost. I think Clinton, Bush the second and Obama were vulnerable and beatable on their second run. But one must have the right candidate. Reagan, not even George Washington could have beaten him. Eisenhower was in the same boat with Reagan, no one the Democrats had to offer could have beaten him in 1996 either.
    Reagan had the ability to talk past the media, other politicians, and directly to the American people. That's why he won two landslide victories...the second one bigger then the first.

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    Re: Do independents think they are cool?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Reagan had the ability to talk past the media, other politicians, and directly to the American people. That's why he won two landslide victories...the second one bigger then the first.
    FDR, Reagan and to a lesser extent Clinton could connect with the people in ways no other president has done.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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