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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I agree with this


    BUT on a side note i dont know how it works in every state but here i can simply change my registration on line and then go vote. In fact i have to do this already since im an independant. anytime I want to vote a party for elections I have to register 30 days in advance if its a party vote.

    so im not sure what it really stops and while i agree it can be bad whos to say people switch parties for BAD reasons? as an independent i should be discriminated against so im not sure theres a why to totally block votes without being unconstitutional
    A political party should have the right to select whom they endorse by whatever mechanism they choose. It is not a legitimate government function to dictate to political parties (which are essentially clubs) how they go about choosing a candidate to endorse.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    1.)A political party should have the right to select whom they endorse by whatever mechanism they choose.
    2.)It is not a legitimate government function to dictate to political parties (which are essentially clubs) how they go about choosing a candidate to endorse.

    1.)its not that i disagree im simply pointing out it seems like it cant rationally be done in an extreme manner and not violate rights IMO

    what about independents, or parties that dont have a candidate or someone who decides to change?

    i dont see how any "extreme" restrictions would work

    2.) didnt say it was
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)its not that i disagree im simply pointing out it seems like it cant rationally be done in an extreme manner and not violate rights IMO

    what about independents
    If one isn't a member of a private organization, then he has no right to participate in the business of that organization.

    , or parties that dont have a candidate or someone who decides to change?

    i dont see how any "extreme" restrictions would work
    It is not something that requires government involvement. These are private organizations choosing whom they wish to endorse. They are clubs, not a part of the government.
    2.) didnt say it was
    Then we are in agreement.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    1.)If one isn't a member of a private organization, then he has no right to participate in the business of that organization.
    2.)It is not something that requires government involvement. These are private organizations choosing whom they wish to endorse. They are clubs, not a part of the government.


    Then we are in agreement.
    parties are not private orgs they are open to the public
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    parties are not private orgs they are open to the public
    Parties are not government organization. They are private organizations, essentially clubs.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    1.)Parties are not government organization. They are private organizations, essentially clubs.
    1.) didnt say they were
    2.) nope by definition they are not they are open to the public.

    can they deny women from being members? how about christians? how about blacks?

    private clubs can.

    ive been a member of both at any time i wanted and there was nothing to do but say i was a member, can i do that with other private clubs?
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) didnt say they were
    2.) nope by definition they are not they are open to the public.

    can they deny women from being members? how about christians? how about blacks?

    private clubs can.

    ive been a member of both at any time i wanted and there was nothing to do but say i was a member, can i do that with other private clubs?
    If they aren't a government institution, then you must recognize that they are private organization. As such, the mechanism they choose to select a candidate to endorse is obviously not a public policy decision. It is a private matter.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This just came up in another thread. I live in an open primary state (Texas). That simply means you don't register as a party member and you can vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary election (not both, of course). I think it's a good thing (although it is a little scary how many people don't understand it here and still think they're registered with a party just by voting in that primary) but I guess the argument against it is that people from the "other side" could all vote in your primary to try to get a candidate nominated that has less of a chance against the guy from that "other side".

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    Open primaries does in theory push candidates to appeal to the broad range of voters, rather than the closed primaries that feed off a tiny fraction of often vocal, and completely unrepresentative set of voters.

    Ideally, we'd have an open primary system where the top two vote getters of all the candidates advance to the next election. So you could have two Democrats or two Republicans advancing. Furthermore, it would have instant runoff so that people would actually vote for their top two choices.

    This would alleviate some of the gerrymandering that's become a threat to national security. If we could combined open primaries, top two candidates advancing, and gerrymandering reform to make all districts as competitive as possible, we'd see the problems that have festered in the past two decades likely disappear.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    1.)If they aren't a government institution, then you must recognize that they are private organization.
    2.) As such, the mechanism they choose to select a candidate to endorse is obviously not a public policy decision.
    3.) It is a private matter.

    very telling you dodged my questions, why?

    1.) no since again they are open to the public.
    2.) again not talking about mechanism to select talking about who can be a member and thats anybody who is 18+ and a citizen which makes it public
    3.) except its not. Can that party get together and privately decide no christians allowed? or football players? nope

    why? because its public
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    very telling you dodged my questions, why?
    Did I miss a question? Hopefully I'll answer it here.

    1.) no since again they are open to the public.
    Not all organizations that endorse candidates need to be open to the public. A candidate may be endorsed by any number of organizations. A candidate could be endorsed by the very exclusive Frog Holler Gentlemen's Society.

    2.) again not talking about mechanism to select talking about who can be a member and thats anybody who is 18+ and a citizen which makes it public
    Who are you to dictate to a private organization whom they must permit to be members. I belong to an organization that only accepts members who have been recommended by an existing member. Private organizations can have their own rules of membership. Political parties are private organizations, not a part of the government.

    3.) except its not. Can that party get together and privately decide no christians allowed? or football players? nope
    I think the exclusive "No Football Players Party" has already done so, and it is perfectly within their rights to do so. And they can endorse any candidate they choose.
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