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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Wow! This something that I have never considered. Presidential candidates are decided at the Party Convention. It would be pretty sweet if our local parties could pick candidates to represent the party. This is a brilliant idea. I really like it.

    That's the way it used to be done, then some bastard suckered us into paying for their primary.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This just came up in another thread. I live in an open primary state (Texas). That simply means you don't register as a party member and you can vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary election (not both, of course). I think it's a good thing (although it is a little scary how many people don't understand it here and still think they're registered with a party just by voting in that primary) but I guess the argument against it is that people from the "other side" could all vote in your primary to try to get a candidate nominated that has less of a chance against the guy from that "other side".

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    I like it. It is sort of like having a "NO" option for a candidate. We should always have a "NO" option, in my opinion.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    There is nothing stopping anyone from starting their own political party if they don't like the Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens, Conservatives ... except for our campaign finance laws. THAT'S what needs changing. Open primaries will do nothing to alter that dichotomy.
    It is true that anyone can start a political party. Constitutionally you can associate with anyone that you choose. But voting along faction lines deprives this nation of the diversity of thought needed in a complex system. We have degenerated down to a handful of factions that compete for power.

    Not that I am really pushing for banning political parties. I realize that would be a hard sale, probably more like a impossible sale. But through what you mentioned campaign finance laws we could take some of these factions powers away. The number one place that big money (or whatever you want to call corruption) filters its power into US government is through political parties.

    I admit that there can be good sides to political parties. The free association of thoughts and ideas flows well among like minded people organized to bring those ideas to fruit. But in the last century I dont see a lot of that happening. That is because its been a two party system that as of lately has stopped working together and now against each other. I belong to neither party. I see them both as the biggest problem that this nation faces today. You can call me biased but at least give the people a chance to chose what assholes they get to vote for.


    Locally in my State I would have liked to have had the chance to get someone running against the Governor that could actually replace her. But the Democrats voted for a idiot that has no chance in ousting her. It comes down to political power and the people are left out of the loop.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I actually think they are bad. A political party has the right to prevent non-members from choosing its candidates for office. It opens them to sabotage from opposition forces.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    "Stupid" would probably be the best choice.

    The purpose of a primary is for a party to choose it's candidate.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This just came up in another thread. I live in an open primary state (Texas). That simply means you don't register as a party member and you can vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary election (not both, of course). I think it's a good thing (although it is a little scary how many people don't understand it here and still think they're registered with a party just by voting in that primary) but I guess the argument against it is that people from the "other side" could all vote in your primary to try to get a candidate nominated that has less of a chance against the guy from that "other side".

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    Personally, I believe the more open the political process, the better it is for both candidates and the electorate.

    I envy Americans in that regard. Here in Canada, the party picks their leader and often the leader decides who the candidates will be in some ridings/districts and can veto any person who wants to seek a nomination if he/she doesn't meet the leader's perceived candidate qualifications. In addition, the ridings/districts select their candidate in closed meetings of party members only and since very few citizens are members of a party very few people choose candidates and often a savvy candidate will buy up a lot of new memberships in order to feather his/her vote count.

    When the election comes, we don't get to vote for who will be Prime Minister - the party chooses - we just get to vote for the candidate running for the party that our preferred choice of Prime Minister represents. So we often either have to choose a candidate we don't want in order to hopefully get the Prime Minister we want or we choose a candidate we want and hope that doesn't give us a Prime Minister we don't want.

    Don't ever begrudge the utter chaos, street fight like openness of your political process - it's what democracy should be all about and it's great to see it in action. In Canada, a Cantor wouldn't ever have been challenged let alone have lost his party's nomination.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Bad idea i think. If you knew a particular candidate in your favored party was going to win, you (and many others) could decide instead to screw over a candidate in the other party. Especially considering texas is deeply red pretty much always, most of the primary voters may very well have this in mind if a candidate has the repub nomination wrapped up by the time of the dem primary. I mean what does an extreme conservative care whether obama or hillary is prez?

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This just came up in another thread. I live in an open primary state (Texas). That simply means you don't register as a party member and you can vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary election (not both, of course). I think it's a good thing (although it is a little scary how many people don't understand it here and still think they're registered with a party just by voting in that primary) but I guess the argument against it is that people from the "other side" could all vote in your primary to try to get a candidate nominated that has less of a chance against the guy from that "other side".

    What do you think?

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    To do that, I think there would have to be a lot more coordination than is, frankly, possible. In fact, Rush Limbaugh tried to get people voting for Hillary in 2008 (calling it Operation Chaos) and we see how well that worked (and Rush has a much bigger platform than most).
    Hillary won Ohio and Texas soon after and extended the process an extra 2 months, divided Democrats on what were basically identical candidates and destroyed any idea of a Hillary vice-presidency. Yes, we definitely know how well that worked.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I actually think they are bad. A political party has the right to prevent non-members from choosing its candidates for office. It opens them to sabotage from opposition forces.
    I agree with this


    BUT on a side note i dont know how it works in every state but here i can simply change my registration on line and then go vote. In fact i have to do this already since im an independant. anytime I want to vote a party for elections I have to register 30 days in advance if its a party vote.

    so im not sure what it really stops and while i agree it can be bad whos to say people switch parties for BAD reasons? as an independent i should be discriminated against so im not sure theres a why to totally block votes without being unconstitutional
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