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Thread: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Green Man View Post
    1.)Never said you said otherwise.

    2.)A straw man is a misstatement of another's position. I have made no statement regarding your position, so I haven't posted any straw man

    3.)Them being public (in your opinion)

    4.) is meaningless to my response to the OP. My response was that I don't think the government should be involved at all in how a political party goes about deciding which candidate it will endorse.
    1.) then I guess you should have woted me then kept repeating this meanignless point like it matters. Your mistake
    2.) false a strawman can just be a failed made up argument that doesnt apply which is what you factually did. You did in fact post a strawman
    3.) nope has proven they are factually problic.

    4.) you responded to ME not the OP again your mistake then you made the false claim they are private which is factually wrong, also your mistake.
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    I have heard but does not have to be true that demos may have crossed lines and voted for oponent in the eric cantor primary and may have caused him to loose

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    On the proportional awarding of delegates or electoral votes by congressional district or winner take all is that it dilutes the clout of the bigger states. Hence this is why only Maine (4) and Nebraska (5) do it. States love it when presidential candidate visit and campaign in their state. Whether in the primary or general election. Take the swing state of Ohio, 18 EV. If Ohio distributed their delegates in the primary or their electoral votes via congressional district, even if Ohio was a swing state would that mean more or less visits by the candidates? Probably less as a candidate would have to visit all 16 congressional districts to have the same impact one visit would have if it was winner take all. The political power of the state of Ohio as a whole would be diluted if all delegates and electoral votes were awarded by CD. Because of this I do not think you will see any more states going the way of Maine and Nebraska.
    My point on allotments has to do with delegates in the Presidential primary.
    For the GOP, it is winner-take-all in California and in Texas it is proportional.

    The GOP is a complete mind-**** when it comes to winning the nomination.
    There are several states like Nevada that are still caucus, and new rules for the 50 states and 7 territories are still out for 2016.

    That's why I believe that only a RINO could win since Bush-41.
    Until now--when I believe Rand Paul could win, except for the fact that Ted Cruz is an idiot and will **** it up for Rand.
    With that, we're back to the Adelson primary in Vegas; Bush--Christie--Kasich--Walker .
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    My point on allotments has to do with delegates in the Presidential primary.
    For the GOP, it is winner-take-all in California and in Texas it is proportional.

    The GOP is a complete mind-**** when it comes to winning the nomination.
    There are several states like Nevada that are still caucus, and new rules for the 50 states and 7 territories are still out for 2016.

    That's why I believe that only a RINO could win since Bush-41.
    Until now--when I believe Rand Paul could win, except for the fact that Ted Cruz is an idiot and will **** it up for Rand.
    With that, we're back to the Adelson primary in Vegas; Bush--Christie--Kasich--Walker .
    I really don't care how the two parties choose their delegates or presidential candidates. That is entirely up to them. They could go back to the smoke filled rooms for all I care. At least it seemed back then they came out with better candidates. I can remember back to a time when there were just 12 or 13 presidential primaries with all other states choosing their delegates via the party leaders.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I really don't care how the two parties choose their delegates or presidential candidates. That is entirely up to them. They could go back to the smoke filled rooms for all I care. At least it seemed back then they came out with better candidates. I can remember back to a time when there were just 12 or 13 presidential primaries with all other states choosing their delegates via the party leaders.
    This is one of the few places where I love the 10th amendment, since I am such a cynic.
    I enjoy playing havoc in the GOP primaries, and have been a registered Republican since I first voted against Nixon in 1972.

    It doesn't matter in Illinois on election day, but we have to stay in the same primary for a run-off,
    just like in the Mississippi run-off in 12 days.
    If Dems crossed-over the first time, they are eligible to vote in the run-off.
    Your charts show the Dems may go more for Cochran.
    Ads should be interesting--we'll see if Palin shows up for McDaniel--Paul has backed off either .
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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This is one of the few places where I love the 10th amendment, since I am such a cynic.
    I enjoy playing havoc in the GOP primaries, and have been a registered Republican since I first voted against Nixon in 1972.

    It doesn't matter in Illinois on election day, but we have to stay in the same primary for a run-off,
    just like in the Mississippi run-off in 12 days.
    If Dems crossed-over the first time, they are eligible to vote in the run-off.
    Your charts show the Dems may go more for Cochran.
    Ads should be interesting--we'll see if Palin shows up for McDaniel--Paul has backed off either .
    Perhaps Paul doesn't want to make any enemies. I voted for Nixon from Vietnam in 1972. In fact since 1964 this old Georgia boy has voted for 5 Republican Presidential Candidates. I suppose Palin could raise some havoc in Mississippi, but I think she is more of a has been now a days. Although those on the far right still love her
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    No. But I don't feel TOO strongly about it either way.

    Regardless of what system of election we have, there's always the possibility that we can end up with good or bad quality of elected officials.

    It is interesting to see how different states run their elections differently.

    So, in a way, I guess I could understand that if someone is really a Republican but chooses to vote in a Democratic primary, they could vote for the worst candidate on there, which itself is also a gamble because you can pick the one who you think has the worst chance of winning, but at the same time - if they do win, then you're stuck with the worst candidate.

    It does kind of make things too confusing though. I personally like it better and find it more honest when people vote for the candidate of the party of their preference.

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    Re: Open Primaries Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    This just came up in another thread. I live in an open primary state (Texas). That simply means you don't register as a party member and you can vote in either the Dem or the Repub primary election (not both, of course). I think it's a good thing (although it is a little scary how many people don't understand it here and still think they're registered with a party just by voting in that primary) but I guess the argument against it is that people from the "other side" could all vote in your primary to try to get a candidate nominated that has less of a chance against the guy from that "other side".

    What do you think?


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    I don't think it matters. Most people don't vote in primaries, anyway. I think the theory that people will vote in the other primary to choose someone less desirable is overblown. Most people wouldn't go to all that trouble to go to the polls to do that. And if they care that much, they would be giving away their vote in their usual primary. It may happen occasionally, but I've never heard of an instance where substantial numbers of people got the "wrong" candidate nominated.

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