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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Whatever the cops get, the People should get.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...partments.html

    Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

    Is all this really necessary?
    Well, enough politicians have said that America is a battlefield, so the local & state police becoming militarized seems like a logical step if politicians believe that - not that I agree with it, but it doesn't matter what you or I think on the subject.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Speaking from a policing perspective, I would much rather have too much equipment that I am not going to use than too little. It's not about what you need, it's about what you may need.

    I carry a gun, Tazer, pepper spray, a baton, 4 extra magazines, and two hidden revolvers, a Kevlar vest. tactical hand cuffs, and several hidden hand cuff keys on my person at work every day, I have never needed any of it. I hope I never do need any of it. But having it means it's there in the case that I may actually need it. It's all over kill, but that is the purpose. This has cost the tax payer a lot of money, much much more than some military junk.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    In this instance, a police officer was shot in the neck. Paramedics aren't going to rush in and get shot at. Had they had this armored vehicle they could have just driven it is and got him.

    Beware the video is a bit graphic.

    Graphic Video: Officer Shot in Neck During Firefight | On Air Videos | Fox News
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If they need to deal with increasingly well-armed criminals, of course they have to become increasingly militarized. If we want to reverse the trend, we have to get the heavy duty arms out of the hands of the criminals. One causes the other.
    And what exactly are these criminals using now that they haven't had for decades. The answer absolutely nothing. That is just a BS excuse.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    In this instance, a police officer was shot in the neck. Paramedics aren't going to rush in and get shot at. Had they had this armored vehicle they could have just driven it is and got him.

    Beware the video is a bit graphic.

    Graphic Video: Officer Shot in Neck During Firefight | On Air Videos | Fox News
    And the odds that they would have had a MRAP on site to keep that cop from getting shot are probably close to zero. No dept is going to have cops out doing patrols with one. They are huge unwieldy super expensive to operate vehicles.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Absolutely not.


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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    And the odds that they would have had a MRAP on site to keep that cop from getting shot are probably close to zero. No dept is going to have cops out doing patrols with one. They are huge unwieldy super expensive to operate vehicles.
    The thing has wheels you can drive it. Why wouldn't they drive it out there? What you posted makes no sense.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    And what exactly are these criminals using now that they haven't had for decades. The answer absolutely nothing. That is just a BS excuse.
    The police department has had swat teams for decades as well.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    This here is one of the most disturbing parts of the article

    In the Indianapolis suburbs, officers said they needed a mine-resistant vehicle to protect against a possible attack by veterans returning from war.

    “You have a lot of people who are coming out of the military that have the ability and knowledge to build I.E.D.’s and to defeat law enforcement techniques,” Sgt. Dan Downing of the Morgan County Sheriff’s Department told the local Fox affiliate, referring to improvised explosive devices, or homemade bombs. Sergeant Downing did not return a message seeking comment.
    So what does this say about how people view veterans?

    What does it say about our government that this view is taken?

    and how does this statement line up with the narrative of "criminal activity" as it is being presented?

    Another comment from the article

    “It just seems like ramping up a police department for a problem we don’t have,” said Shay Korittnig, a father of two who spoke against getting the armored truck at a recent public meeting in Neenah. “This is not what I was looking for when I moved here, that my children would view their local police officer as an M-16-toting, SWAT-apparel-wearing officer.”
    This is an important aspect too. What kind of effect will this have on the psyche of Americans?

    People want their cops to be Dirty Harry on the inside and Barney Fife on the out. There is no doubt that with the progressive militarization of our police that alienation will also take place.

    Another excerpt for the article

    Masked, heavily armed police officers in Louisiana raided a nightclub in 2006 as part of a liquor inspection. In Florida in 2010, officers in SWAT gear and with guns drawn carried out raids on barbershops that mostly led only to charges of “barbering without a license.”
    As everyone knows there isn't a person alive who gets a new toy and doesn't want to play with it and the above examples show how the police will play. OVER KILL.

    None of these police are SEALs, ok? There might be a few but for the overwhelming majority, no. No amount of playing dress up is going to change that.

    So what happens? More and more mundane, routine, low intensity police work gets carried out in high intensity fashion.

    Since few towns and villages have the resources for dedicated personnel needed to train constantly at a level of intensity suitable to ensure favorable and intended outcomes what you end up with is Barney Fifes on the inside swearing to God that they're Dirty Harry on the out.

    and that's when mistakes and accidents cause bad things to happen to good people. Civilian and police alike.

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