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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    At the very least, that which the police can have the People too should have access to.
    To me the whole point of government is to have a monopoly on force when needed.

    I support the second amendment purely from a legal perspective when it comes to American law.

    But for me, while I do support a certain amount of gun ownership which I am allowed to in Canada, I don't believe my next door neighbour should have weaponry necessary to take on the RCMP if he ever felt like doing so like the gentleman in Moncton last week.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    To me the whole point of government is to have a monopoly on force when needed.

    I support the second amendment purely from a legal perspective when it comes to American law.

    But for me, while I do support a certain amount of gun ownership which I am allowed to in Canada, I don't believe my next door neighbour should have weaponry necessary to take on the RCMP if he ever felt like doing so like the gentleman in Moncton last week.
    I believe that my neighbor and myself should have the firepower to take on the Government if the Government tried to overstep the bounds of the Constitution.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    To me the whole point of government is to have a monopoly on force when needed.
    If that were true, we'd never have had the second amendment.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    I believe that my neighbor and myself should have the firepower to take on the Government if the Government tried to overstep the bounds of the Constitution.
    Who do you shoot first?

    The father of two who's just doing his job because your INTERPRETATION of the constitution is different from the courts or the government?

    While I'm definitely of the opinion the current US government and pretty much every executive has been in violation of the constitution, it's up to a strong electorate and institutions to hold it accountable, not automatic weapons.

    From there you create your own tyranny for those who did not want a civil war in their town due to political disagreements.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    It would not be me firing the first shot. I just want my own protection firepower. The Constitution has ONE purpose and ONE purpose only, personal freedoms. When and if we ever lose those personal freedoms afforded us by the Constitution it will be a hard cold world, at that point, what difference does it make?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    I swear, we're descending into an arms race, with the police on one side and the anarchist-libertarians on the other. God help us.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I swear, we're descending into an arms race, with the police on one side and the anarchist-libertarians on the other. God help us.
    A Liberal saying "God help us" w/o booing after he mentioned God. Will miracles ever cease?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    A Liberal saying "God help us" w/o booing after he mentioned God. Will miracles ever cease?
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...partments.html

    Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

    Is all this really necessary?
    If they need to deal with increasingly well-armed criminals, of course they have to become increasingly militarized. If we want to reverse the trend, we have to get the heavy duty arms out of the hands of the criminals. One causes the other.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    If they need to deal with increasingly well-armed criminals, of course they have to become increasingly militarized. If we want to reverse the trend, we have to get the heavy duty arms out of the hands of the criminals. One causes the other.
    and with the 24/7/365 news cycle as it is, and the agendas set as they are, why aren't we hearing about these increasingly well armed bandits?

    Oh, because it's a contrived threat.

    Got it!

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