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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    One could have been VERY useful during the "Rodney King" riots....
    Nonsense, they don't need a 30 ton war machine that they aren't trained for. Come on man. It's overkill. It's like the military using nukes during every war.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...partments.html

    Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

    Is all this really necessary?
    If the Police get to be militarized, the People get to be militarized.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yeah, we need to give criminals the upper hand, keep the semi auto weapons in the hands of criminals, and just issue the cops .38 revolvers. </sarcasm off>

    I could tell a story about a Chicago cop and his partner going on a domestic call in Cabrini Green in the 1960's, but I'll spare people the drivel.
    Whatever the cops get, the People should get.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the Police get to be militarized, the People get to be militarized.
    in a perfect world...

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    in a perfect world...
    In a free Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In a free Republic.
    synonyms...

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If the Police get to be militarized
    Police have got more heavy firepower because criminals have.

    You need only look at Mexico to see this point, the cartels are capable of defying the ****ing Army of Mexico.

    Yes there are more swat units, but regular police haven't changed much.

    It isn't about power (although like anything it has the potential to be used by nefarious powers) it's to minimize casualties, between heavily armed criminals and spree shooters cops job has become extremely hazardous.

    Just last week 5 RCMP armed only with pistols and shotguns were ambushed by a single guy with high powered rifle that killed 3 of them and injured the other two.

    Official recomendations state that RCMP are woefully under armed to deal with modern threats.

    So while I usually respect your viewpoints Ikari, I feel like you really do see boogiemen everywhere when it comes to Police.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Police have got more heavy firepower because criminals have.
    Really? So I can buy some of this BS too? Or no?

    It's not "boogiemen everywhere", it's proper tools of the People and growing force of government against our rights. How are you supposed to defend yourself when they take all your tools? Or is it when it's Criminal vs. Society, only the police matter?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really? So I can buy some of this BS too? Or no?

    It's not "boogiemen everywhere", it's proper tools of the People and growing force of government against our rights. How are you supposed to defend yourself when they take all your tools? Or is it when it's Criminal vs. Society, only the police matter?
    You only view it through your Libertarian glasses, I can't really help you with that.

    Personally, the better way to stop tyranny is to have a healthy, well educated population.

    It stops extremism, which leads to tyranny.

    You believe guns in the hands of the people prevents tyranny and I disagree.

    Japan for example, has virtually 0% gun ownership, while I was surprised to find all police officers have a service pistol in case of run ins with Yakuza.

    And they do not have any tyranny because they have one of the most well educated populations in the world which staves off extremism (although like everywhere it does exist to a degree).

    In fact the Japanese are pretty libertarian on many issues, you can drink as a passenger in a car... which was surprising.

    My point is that it takes far more than guns to win freedom, it takes better governance and before you focus too much on what police have and you don't, focus on outlawing gerrymandering and unlimited donations and SuperPACS and you'll see far better results.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Personally, the better way to stop tyranny is to have a healthy, well educated population.
    This is the BEST way to do so. But you see the state of education in this country.

    Still, while it is best to have a well educated populace to control the government, that is still no garuantee against government tyranny. At the very least, that which the police can have the People too should have access to.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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