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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, since you don't do anything illegal, it is okay for cops to abuse civil rights, and act like the mob when in the process of law enforcement. That is a very faulty way to think, if you value your rights in society.
    They're not violating my civil rights, are they violating yours?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    They're not violating my civil rights, are they violating yours?
    It appears you missed the point.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I kind of agree. I've been seeing a lot of anti-cop sentiment from more and more conservatives.
    I'm not entirely convinced that all are conservatives, some might be, but lately, those with anti government sentiments seem to get loved and are given attention by conservatives.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It appears you missed the point.
    Didn't know there was one. I still have the very same rights today that I had 55 years ago. Not much has changed, except cops don't stop me and question me now for being in the wrong neighborhood, and that's a good thing, because I used to get tired of it.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    Isn’t that the response towards the police here? A mindless panic that having a few ex-military vehicles will magically turn the US in to some kind of militarised police state?

    As I said, I was talking about in the extreme. I agree that 99% of the time, the high-end capabilities of these vehicles will be irrelevant. They’re still cheap vehicles that the police can make practical use of though, so there is no reason for it to be a negative thing. Would you rather this valuable equipment was just scrapped of left to rot in some warehouse somewhere?
    The response is well deserved, considering. No, I'm very mindful, very mindful when I see increased police hostility to the people, increased powers of authority being taken (not given, but taken), increased militarization of police departments which face no credible threat that you propose, the armament of government agencies which needn't be. I'm mindful of all of these things. Don't try to dismiss legitimate concerns as mindless acts of panic, I don't panic, I don't cry "ze Germans are coming ze Germans are coming". I do however take note and point out when government is overstepping its bounds.

    Any and all atrocities and infringements against our freedom, of liberties we'll give our authority can be had with the justification of an "extreme" situation.

    I won't bore you with the Ben Franklin quote, so I'll cut to it. I'm not willing to sacrifice my liberties for supposed security. The police have no constitutional obligation to protect me so no, I don't feel any obligation to make sure their wet dreams of being Robocop are being fulfilled.

    Also, you cannot say the police will make practical use out of something that you in the breath before admit is only justified with the "what ifs" of extreme situations. That's just not, .....well,.....practical.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Are you sure it is only the government and not the world?
    You just had to go there...



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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Nope, the police don't need that. That's excessive. Let the National Guard take care of things that may require a vehicle like that.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...partments.html

    Do our police have to be militarized? Is this what we want patrolling our streets?

    Is all this really necessary?
    Yes sir, it is!!! Our LE officers have been trailing the criminals they fight in weapons technology for as long as I can remember. We need them to have the best and most effective tools available to make the idea of fighting against them so abhorrent to criminals that their motivation for committing crimes goes down substantially. If a criminal knows that taking off in a car and trying to force the LE to break off pursuit in order to protect civilians will only result in a helo taking them out with a laser targeted missile, they will be far less likely to run, since going to jail is normally more preferable to getting turned into road-kill.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, the local police need a 30 ton military vehicle. Don't be silly.
    One could have been VERY useful during the "Rodney King" riots....
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

    I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

    I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them.
    So what about the people who aren't going to come with their hands up and have an armory of weapons they bought on the black market?? Do we simply send in our officers with batons and shields?? I'm a conservative and I'm not afraid of criminals. What I want is for criminals to be afraid of LE. Right now, they aren't.
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