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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them.

    Yeah, yeah, the conservatives are the one's living in fear while the dumb ass democrat in office is arming very governmental agency he can to the teeth...



    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    To an extent Iím sure it is. At the extreme (which any police department could face with little notice) many criminals are heavily armed or militarised.

    I think there is a bit of spin going on with this kind of thing anyway. So theyíre getting vehicles that happen to be armoured. That in itself isnít really the issue. I seems to me that the fact theyíre ex-military vehicles is being used symbolically (and often in an exaggerated manner) as an easy, lazy way to attack the police in generic terms rather than putting in the time and effort needed to effectively challenge real issues of police procedures and tactics.

    Of course Iím sure some people are complaining just for the sake of it and whatever the military did with this equipment it no long has active use for would be deemed wrong and whatever the police obtained would be somehow inappropriate.

    Ze Germans are coming!!! ZE GERMANS ARE COMING!!!!.


    You've got a better chance of seeing that than the roving, armed, criminal posses who're ready to strike and take down poor unsuspecting police departments in Middle America at any moment. The whole thing is contrived.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Sometimes it pays to be paranoid?
    Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the government isn't out to get you...


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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Ze Germans are coming!!! ZE GERMANS ARE COMING!!!!.
    Isn’t that the response towards the police here? A mindless panic that having a few ex-military vehicles will magically turn the US in to some kind of militarised police state?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You've got a better chance of seeing that than the roving, armed, criminal posses who're ready to strike and take down poor unsuspecting police departments in Middle America at any moment. The whole thing is contrived.
    As I said, I was talking about in the extreme. I agree that 99% of the time, the high-end capabilities of these vehicles will be irrelevant. They’re still cheap vehicles that the police can make practical use of though, so there is no reason for it to be a negative thing. Would you rather this valuable equipment was just scrapped of left to rot in some warehouse somewhere?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Hey, all they gotta do is say, come out with your hands up, and it's done.

    I don't deal drugs, takes drugs, or make them, I have nothing to fear.

    I have noticed lately that there must be many, many conservatives living in fear though, poor them. Must be living in hell having to look over their shoulders all the time wondering who's going to get them.
    I kind of agree. I've been seeing a lot of anti-cop sentiment from more and more conservatives.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    yes, at times it might be necessary. Whether it is with gangs, criminal organizations or extremist heavily armed groups, you cannot risk them being better or more heavily armed than your police.
    Last edited by Peter King; 06-10-14 at 09:36 AM. Reason: grammatical error
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    So, when is our bad a$$, well regulated militia gonna step up and deal with this....
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the government isn't out to get you...

    Are you sure it is only the government and not the world?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Possibly.

    I want our police to be properly equipped to respond to potential terrorist attacks, both foreign and domestic.

    This would include responding to a small group of heavily armed and trained Al Qaeda sympathizers.
    But it would also include responding to militant groups such as tea party freaks, white supremacy groups, and organized thieves like Cliven Bundy and his gang.

    There are a lot of groups that would like to take up arms against our people and our Government.
    I do not like the idea of our local police being at the mercy of waiting for the National Guard or the Feds.

    Edit: To expand on this...

    I think it is hilarious to see people freaking out and losing their minds because they think the second Amendment, which covered 1 shot ball and powder weapons, gives them the right to have weapons of mass war and carnage.
    But when the Police want to have the ability to counter these mass weapons of war, they do a 180 and want the police to have 1 shot ball and powder weapons.
    The hypocrisy is mind boggling.

    I recently heard an argument that a homeowner should be able to have fully automatic weapons with unlimited ammo because the bad guys have them.
    But the same people seem to think the police should not have things to counter such weapons.
    Freaking crazy.

    Maybe the police should have to call homeowners to come protect them.
    Last edited by Painter; 06-10-14 at 11:40 AM.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    How many times have police gotten into situations that could only be resolved with heavy military equipment in the last decade? Compare that to the number of innocent people hurt by SWAT teams using completely excessive force for what should routine policing operations.

    Right now there is a baby in a coma because apparently the SWAT team needed to perform a no-knock raid with flagbangs to capture a single guy reported doing a drug deal worth 50 dollars. The suspect they were after wasn't even in the house and no drugs were found.

    I am certain that we are inevitably going to read a story on the news about how an innocent person gets run over because some wannabe rambo idiots rammed their MRAP into the wrong house while valiantly trying to arrest someone for unpaid parking tickets.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yeah, yeah, the conservatives are the one's living in fear while the dumb ass democrat in office is arming very governmental agency he can to the teeth...





    Ze Germans are coming!!! ZE GERMANS ARE COMING!!!!.


    You've got a better chance of seeing that than the roving, armed, criminal posses who're ready to strike and take down poor unsuspecting police departments in Middle America at any moment. The whole thing is contrived.
    Po wittle tings.

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