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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    In many states things like suppressors short barreled rifles, standard capacity mags for many weapons and even in at least one state removable magazines. How is that for a start
    You can buy all that stuff.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    It is more than this truck. It is the militarization of our law enforcement. It's why I mentioned things other than just the truck.
    It's just an armored truck. It doesn't have a canon on it, would you feel better if the wasted money armoring the piece of junk crown Victoria cars they drive? Or blow more money armoring a van? Why not reuse military equipment like this.

    It isn't like a tank or a jet, those aren't personnel movers, they are weapons. It's an armored personnel carrier, it's primary purpose is to protect people. Do shoot outs happen? Would police be safe in this truck?

    What difference does it make if it was on a battle field? It could do the exact same thing here right?
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    How often have heavily armored vehicles been actually needed in a civilian policing action? It's almost always overkill, like ramming it through a "drug house" that may or may not even be the right house. They need to stop right meow. How do you blow weed exactly? I've been looking for some new techniques to spice things up a bit. I assume it has something to do with snorting because blow is cocaine and not weed?
    Well to be accurate, a wheeled APC isn't heavily armored, the Bradley is, a wheeled vehicle not so much.

    Several sheriff depts have the MRAP, they got them for $2,500 as an open ended lease. Besides transporting the jack booted thugs CONs love to fear, they will come in very handy in severe weather and negotiating obstacles a patrol cruiser can't.

    Blowing weed is a new term for toking a doob, ya gotta keep up. Coke is now 'soft', or white girl in some parts, hardly anyone who doesn't wear double knit suits calls coke 'blow'...

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    This here is one of the most disturbing parts of the article

    So what does this say about how people view veterans?
    It says that law enforcement is considering the very real threat of some vets using their military knowledge once they get home. I've been in Mexico for a year now, and the Zetas Cartel did just that. Initially the majority of Zetas were special ops. Disenchanted with some of the things they saw, they turned their backs on the government that trained them and began using their military know how for some of the most brutal tactics.

    Arturo Guzmán Decena - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Arturo Guzmán Decena (a.k.a. Z-1) (13 January 1976 − 21 November 2002) was a Mexican Army Special Forces soldier who, in 1997, defected to the Gulf Cartel, where he founded and commanded Los Zetas, the mercenary gang at the service of the cartel's drug lord, Osiel Cárdenas Guillén.[1]
    If it has already happened in Mexico, it will happen eventually in the US. Being prepared for it doesn't mean people don't support the troops. It means they are getting ready for a very real possibility.
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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Which is why I said it would most likely not have helped in the video you posted.
    Those were not SWAT that were shown in the video so there is a good chance that by the time SWAT would have gotten there that cop would have already been shot.
    The tax payers should not have to foot the bill for some cops that want to play Army. If they want to kick doors they should have joined the military
    Around here many of our LEO have military time. Some of them jumped out of perfectly good aircraft before door kicking...

    At $2,500 a copy they are not expensive to acquire, to operate is another consideration but until i see them doing a one for one replacement of the patrol units I'd say it will not be burdensome for the tax payers.

    Most depts have a single copy, multiple tasks like being able to fight severe weather and high mobility to crawl into tornado devastated areas to be the first on the ground.

    I don't see the problem with an enhanced vehicle in a Local PD/sheriff's dept. Any grunt knows a single vehicle is target practice...

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Many innocent people with the same attitude have served prison time.
    So, you want to throw me in prison huh?

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Don't alter my statements. It's immature, and dishonest. Grow up and discuss this like a man.
    What the hell are you talking about. How did I alter your post. How about you grow up.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    You can buy all that stuff.
    No in many states and cities you can not. To try and pretend otherwise completely dishonest. For a cop you really seem to have a poor knowledge of the law.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    It's just an armored truck. It doesn't have a canon on it, would you feel better if the wasted money armoring the piece of junk crown Victoria cars they drive? Or blow more money armoring a van? Why not reuse military equipment like this.

    It isn't like a tank or a jet, those aren't personnel movers, they are weapons. It's an armored personnel carrier, it's primary purpose is to protect people. Do shoot outs happen? Would police be safe in this truck?

    What difference does it make if it was on a battle field? It could do the exact same thing here right?
    As I have said several times already it is not just this truck. Why are you having a hard time understanding that.

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    Re: Is All This Really Necessary?

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    What the hell are you talking about. How did I alter your post. How about you grow up.
    This was my post.
    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    in every conceivable circumstance?
    Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment. First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

    What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
    This is the alteration you added.
    in every conceivable circumstance? well if we are going off of that then maybe cops should have tanks and fighter planes. Maybe even nukes. I mean you never knowright
    Police aren't the ones that purchase that equipment. First, you don't need a truck to kick in doors, second police sometimes have to do just that.

    What is the deal with you and this truck? Who cares?
    The red underlined bit is what you altered.
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