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Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

  • Spend it on more stuff.

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Lower Taxes.

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Put it toward the debt.

    Votes: 28 77.8%
  • Total voters
    36
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Born Free said:
The Berlin wall worked, in fact it worked so well no one ever crossed that did not get killed. We have 20 million illegals in this country and now they are busing them to cities in Arizona and letting them go. Further you offer no solution except that a wall will not work then you would say putting a military fence would not work and so on. You are for an open border or offer up how you would shut the border down.
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Not supporting a wall does not equal open border or support of an open border. Further you offer no solution except a wall. If you really think just building a wall will work, there is nowhere else to go.

My solution instead of a wall is to eliminate the incentives to cross - no benefits, stricter employer hiring laws, more checks on citizenship when renting houses, and more enforcement of the border. Furthermore, it's the drug trade that concerns me the most. A guy looking for work to feed his family is one thing but a mafioso with a million dollar bank account and a trained militia backing him up is quite another. A wall or military fence is not going to stop him at all no matter what you may believe.
 
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Born Free said:
The Berlin wall worked, in fact it worked so well no one ever crossed that did not get killed. We have 20 million illegals in this country and now they are busing them to cities in Arizona and letting them go. Further you offer no solution except that a wall will not work then you would say putting a military fence would not work and so on. You are for an open border or offer up how you would shut the border down.
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Did you just make this up? Here's some facts:
"Well over 100,000 citizens of the GDR tried to escape across the inner-German border or the Berlin Wall between 1961 and 1988. More than 600 of them were shot and killed by GDR border guards or died in other ways during their escape attempt."

Facts and figures - Berlin.de
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Less than 1% died trying to cross.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

radcen said:
Sure, but it's also our debt? And if we don't pay down our debt, then more of our money keeps going toward debt maintenance.
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Yeah but the decision to pay down that debt faster then what was agreed upon should be up to the people.

Or at least the officials they elected to vote on their behalf.
 
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shavingcollywob said:
Yeah but the decision to pay down that debt faster then what was agreed upon should be up to the people.

Or at least the officials they elected to vote on their behalf.
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1. The people are dumbasses...just look at who they elect.

2. The people they elect...as least, a majority of them...especially in the Senate...have no interest in paying down the debt. They just want to spend more and more.

But don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be some kind of "taxpayer vote" on whether to pay down the debt or not. I just wish voters would stop being dumbasses and would elect some people who are interested in paying down the debt. The bad thing is, though, just being interested in paying down the debt isn't enough. First, we have to stop spending more and more.
 
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americanwoman said:
I am actually for that, moreso for the drug and violence side than the immigration side. But then we both get what we want, yes? :)
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Good point. I want that too.
 
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radcen said:
Did you just make this up? Here's some facts:

Less than 1% died trying to cross.
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Lets stick to the topic, which is finances.
 
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jonny5 said:
Lets stick to the topic, which is finances.
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Sometimes such an egregious misstatement needs to be addressed. Note that I did not belabor the point.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Mycroft said:
1. The people are dumbasses...just look at who they elect.

2. The people they elect...as least, a majority of them...especially in the Senate...have no interest in paying down the debt. They just want to spend more and more.

But don't get me wrong. I don't think there should be some kind of "taxpayer vote" on whether to pay down the debt or not. I just wish voters would stop being dumbasses and would elect some people who are interested in paying down the debt. The bad thing is, though, just being interested in paying down the debt isn't enough. First, we have to stop spending more and more.
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All that may be true but it's still those "dumbasses" money.

That you think they're too stupid to spend it wisely doesn't change that.
 
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budget surpluses are absolutely meaningless when you are in debt to your eyeballs...
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

shavingcollywob said:
All that may be true but it's still those "dumbasses" money.

That you think they're too stupid to spend it wisely doesn't change that.
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Most of those dumbasses don't even think it IS their money.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

radcen said:
Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

1) Spend it on more stuff?
2) Lower taxes?
3) Put it toward the debt?

A real surplus, I mean, not a Bill Clinton smoke-and-mirrors surplus.
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The responsible thing would be to use it to help pay off the debt.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

americanwoman said:
Not supporting a wall does not equal open border or support of an open border. Further you offer no solution except a wall. If you really think just building a wall will work, there is nowhere else to go.

My solution instead of a wall is to eliminate the incentives to cross - no benefits, stricter employer hiring laws, more checks on citizenship when renting houses, and more enforcement of the border. Furthermore, it's the drug trade that concerns me the most. A guy looking for work to feed his family is one thing but a mafioso with a million dollar bank account and a trained militia backing him up is quite another. A wall or military fence is not going to stop him at all no matter what you may believe.
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No benefits I like that, stricter employer hiring laws, this is were we disagree. Can you even imagine how many nannies there are, house keepers, gardeners, field workers, the list goes on and on of illegals working under the radar. More checks on renters, that is a loser, do you think for a second a landlord cares? Then you say more enforcement on the border, well no kidding the problem with your idea is it's not enough, where as I go one step further by building the wall to give enforcement the advantage.

Then you say a guy looking for work to feed his family is one thing. So we stop an illegal and ask him if he is sneaking across the border to find work to feed his family or do you intend to kill a bunch of Americans. Yes you are for an open border, nothing you said even comes close to closing the border SHUT. As you want illegals to be able to come to feed their families. What a crock. No, sorry an illegal is illegal. Is that something you don't understand? Of course you do, but you don't care because your open border policy lets those that want to feed their family to be able to come in. All because they don't want to feed their family in Mexico they want to feed them here.
 
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radcen said:
Did you just make this up? Here's some facts:

Less than 1% died trying to cross.
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100,000 crossed the Berlin wall, while over 50 million have entered the US or way more from the beginning. No one really knows how many illegals have entered the US over the many decades. But hey how many illegals have been killed crossing our border?
 
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Born Free said:
100,000 crossed the Berlin wall, while over 50 million have entered the US or way more from the beginning. No one really knows how many illegals have entered the US over the many decades. But hey how many illegals have been killed crossing our border?
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Glossed right over your seriously incorrect information. Smooth. ;)
 
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radcen said:
Glossed right over your seriously incorrect information. Smooth. ;)
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Well it was a good comparison. 100,000 vs over 50 million or more and no one shot. In fact, did you know, that we set of water stations for them when they want to cross the desert. Not only do we not shoot them, BUT WE HELP TJEM by giving them water while they cross the desert. Only in America.

Take a look

Pictures of illegal aid stations for illegal aliens - Desert Invasion U.S.

Americans Set Up Water Stations To Help Illegals Enter US
 
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radcen said:
Sometimes such an egregious misstatement needs to be addressed. Note that I did not belabor the point.
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I know, just trying to steer us back.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Thrilla said:
budget surpluses are absolutely meaningless when you are in debt to your eyeballs...
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They mean you arent making it worse, ideally. And you have some flexibility to make changes. We arent likely to see one soon though, since govt keep proposing new spending. Look at the latest student loan order. Theres another 15bn. Veterans healthcare changes, while important, will cost 35bn MORE.

No attempts to cut something else to afford it. Just keep adding.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Mycroft said:
Most of those dumbasses don't even think it IS their money.
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OK but it still is our money.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

radcen said:
Government sure doesn't act like it, though. To watch them you'd think it belongs to them once they get their hands on it.
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I agree and that's definitely a problem.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

How about we put any future surpluses towards the debt? We're one of the most resource-rich 1st world countries, and we feed half the rest of the world. There is absolutely no reason we should owe anybody money.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Mycroft said:
So what?
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So the government should seize all of your assets and leave mine alone.

That seems like the fairest solution all around.
 
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shavingcollywob said:
So the government should seize all of your assets and leave mine alone.

That seems like the fairest solution all around.
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WTF are you talking about??

You know...I admit I jumped into the middle of your conversation with the OP, but I went and followed yours and his posts all the way back and I have to say that this particular post of your makes absolutely no freaking sense. What's the deal, dude? Do you just **** words and hope they somehow fall into a coherent sentence? Well, you got lucky...they formed actual sentences. Unfortunately, those sentences have nothing to do with what was said before...by me, by you or by the OP.

Reading your posts are like reading the ravings of a lunatic.
 
Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

Mycroft said:
WTF are you talking about??

You know...I admit I jumped into the middle of your conversation with the OP, but I went and followed yours and his posts all the way back and I have to say that this particular post of your makes absolutely no freaking sense. What's the deal, dude? Do you just **** words and hope they somehow fall into a coherent sentence? Well, you got lucky...they formed actual sentences. Unfortunately, those sentences have nothing to do with what was said before...by me, by you or by the OP.

Reading your posts are like reading the ravings of a lunatic.
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I cannot read his mind, but I took it that he was poking fun and being facetious.
 
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