View Poll Results: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

    1) Spend it on more stuff?
    2) Lower taxes?
    3) Put it toward the debt?

    A real surplus, I mean, not a Bill Clinton smoke-and-mirrors surplus.
    BTW, if Clinton's surplus - which was real according to factcheck.org, and which lasted for four years, and for two years even if the Social Security tax was removed from the equation - was only "smoke and mirrors" as you say, then what how much do you believe the real deficit was at the time? Not the debt, now, but the deficit.

    Oh, and to answer your question, pay down the debt. You may be surprised to find most liberals would agree on this.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Liberals would never allow it to pay down the debt, liberals love more money for government, thus a surplus would never exist.
    And you're a wonderful example of the problem: you ASSUME (wrongly) that most liberals would not want to pay down the debt, just as most liberals ASSUME that most conservatives would not use to pay down the debt but would rather have tax cuts instead.

    Let's stop assuming, shall we? Let's go on what actually happens instead.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And you're a wonderful example of the problem: you ASSUME (wrongly) that most liberals would not want to pay down the debt, just as most liberals ASSUME that most conservatives would not use to pay down the debt but would rather have tax cuts instead.

    Let's stop assuming, shall we? Let's go on what actually happens instead.
    What is actually happening is Obama has increased the national in 5.5 yrs by 7 trillion and is still borrowing 800 billion a yr. Under the liberal movement there is no future to even balance the budget to even give an opportunity to pay any debt. And I have not heard one democrat say they should cut anything, zip zero, nada.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Pay down the debt.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    I'm sure that's what Hillary will do.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    What is actually happening is Obama has increased the national in 5.5 yrs by 7 trillion and is still borrowing 800 billion a yr. Under the liberal movement there is no future to even balance the budget to even give an opportunity to pay any debt. And I have not heard one democrat say they should cut anything, zip zero, nada.
    Really? Right now, the deficit for 2014 is estimated to be $492B - not $800B as you claim - and it is less than ONE-THIRD what it was in Bush's last budget (2009), which turned out to be $1539B (after adjusting for inflation).

    There is a very real possibility that we might actually have a balanced budget by his last year in...which would be very bad news for the GOP indeed, since it would set the pattern: GOP screw up the budget, and Dems come in and fix it. If you'll recall, the last GOP president to have a balanced budget was Eisenhower - and the last two presidents who did have a balanced budget were Dems. Yeah, I know, you'll claim "They didn't balance it, it was all smoke-and-mirrors!" But even if the budgets weren't balanced, they were awful doggone close to being balanced...

    ...until the Republicans came back into office, of course. "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney said that.

    So...let me see here - Obama's cut the deficit by more than two-thirds what it was when he took over (in the middle of an economic meltdown), we've had 51 consecutive months of private-sector job growth, the growth of government spending is less than than what it's been under any president since Eisenhower (yes, less than Bush, Bush, Reagan, or Nixon), our personal federal tax burden is lower than at any time since Truman...and the Dow is over 2.5 times what it was since its nadir two months after Obama took office and - if it keeps trending like it has for the past two years, could very well hit the 3X mark by the time he leaves office. Have fun finding another president (except for maybe FDR) under whom the Dow tripled on his watch.

    In other words, if Obama had an (R) behind his name, y'all would be campaigning to get his face added to Mount Rushmore. But he's got that (D), therefore anything he does is badevilterriblestupidsocialistcommunistnazibleedin gheartliberalbad.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra money?

    1) Spend it on more stuff?
    2) Lower taxes?
    3) Put it toward the debt?

    A real surplus, I mean, not a Bill Clinton smoke-and-mirrors surplus.
    This question reminds me of people who have a lot of credit card debt and they go to the bank and get a consolidation loan or second mortgage and when it's done they come out with this warped idea that all their debt is gone because the credit cards are paid off and there's just this one payment that they don't have to think much about. And in no time, they have a consolidation loan or second mortgage and a bunch of credit card debt to go with it.

    I'm a firm believer that those who run for public office and run government are the same ones who get into the above type of traps.
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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    I would build a lot of schools and hire a lot of teachers. The one thing that is consistently proven to improve performance by students is smaller classes and more individual attention. We need a better student to teacher ratio, which means more classrooms and more teachers.

    We need long term solutions, not short term ones.

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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And you're a wonderful example of the problem: you ASSUME (wrongly) that most liberals would not want to pay down the debt, just as most liberals ASSUME that most conservatives would not use to pay down the debt but would rather have tax cuts instead.

    Let's stop assuming, shall we? Let's go on what actually happens instead.
    What actually happens is Democrats propose continuing 500bn deficits infinitely.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/tables.pdf

    As to the op.

    1. Pay down the debt
    2. cut taxes

    Though its unlikley to happen seeing as how its gone the other way. Taxes are up, spending is up, debt is up. The deficit is only decreasing because spending has been frozen until this year. Now its going up again. The deficit is predicted to go up in 2016 consistently and be 1 trillion in 10 years, under the baseline. No surplus in sight.

    http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil...jections_2.pdf

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    Re: Should we ever have a budget surplus again, what should we do with the extra mone

    Lowering taxes and removing oppressive toll roads would be my first suggestion. If we had to spend it, re-fund NASA.
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