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  • I would have approved of that method.

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  • I would not have approved of that method.

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  • I agree that we should not leave an American behind

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  • Prior to the past few weeks, I would have said "Yes, we should try to bring back Bergdahl"

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    Would you approve of this action?

    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    Before I can vote, I'd have to have info if the POW was caught as a fighter or deserter. A legitimate POW, I'm all for a small special forces operation instead of any exchange action.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    I wouldn't approve of that method, mainly because it would have put troops back into harms way. I have no problem with the President's decision to get Bergdahl back. That is something we should do because until he has a chance to comment on his behalf and a trial or investigation, he is innocent until proven guilty and is an American Soldier.

    What I have a problem with is he went thoguh all this for one soldier in Afghanistan, yet hasn't tried the same way for the military member sitting in a Mexican jail whom doesn't have nearly the contraversary as this Bergdahl. That is my issue with all of this.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    I could not approve of the method without understand the goals and objectives as well as a timeline. What are we surging for exactly?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    "Troop surge"? Seems kind of like overkill for one dude.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    You want to re-escalate the ENTIRE conflict and undoubtedly cost many American (and probably lots of innocent Afghanistani) lives to try and find one soldier?

    Ahhh...no.

    He volunteered for military duty...he knew the risks...being captured and held for years was one of them.

    Sure, you try and get him back if you can...but not at all costs.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    If that was the only option to get them back, then I could get behind such a move. However, the odds of that type of action being the only option is remote. I do think we owe it to our troops to do whatever it takes to recover them. That does not mean there is no limits to what we should do to get them back, that limit should be pretty high.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    My preference would be to use some sort of black ops.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    I voted yes because it would have put troops back into Afghanistan with a chance of giving additional support and breathing room for the Afghan people. Finding Berghdal would be a bonus.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    Only if it was part of a strategy to declare war and go in, no holds barred, to completely subdue Afganistan and its people and set up a new society based on religious freedom and free enterprise and with all of the guarantees of liberty in our own Constitution. Such a strategy would destroy utterly the Taliban and its sympathizers, would no doubt kill off millions of people, but would have as an end result the defeat of totalitarianism in that nation and the end of radical Islam there.

    Or, if we're not willing to go all the way, let's just get the hell out and let them set up whatever sort of religious dictatorship they want.
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