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  • I would have approved of that method.

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  • I would not have approved of that method.

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  • I agree that we should not leave an American behind

    8 34.78%
  • Prior to the past few weeks, I would have said "Yes, we should try to bring back Bergdahl"

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We could have loaned them a few, heck they're our next-door neighbors!
    It would have been the neighborly thing to do.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    Would not approve.
    We accomplished our mission and Al Qaeda is scattered and decimated in Afghanistan. It is time to bring our people home.

    It is also extremely important to remember that Al Qaeda was our enemy, not the Taliban. Al Qaeda were the terrorists, not the Taliban.
    We toppled the Taliban and continue to fight them because they harbored Al Qaeda and essentially "spit in our faces" when we asked that they be handed over.
    The Taliban never attacked the United States, we attacked them.
    Now I agree that they deserved it. I supported the war in Afghanistan. But it is critical, very very critical that we remember who attacked who when tossing around terms such as "terrorist". The Taliban fight our troops in whatever way they are able to. Sometimes using similar tactics as those that we ourselves taught them to use against the Soviet Union.

    Now any remaining Afghan Al Qaeda are most likely living in Pakistan. Pakistan fails to hand them over just like the Taliban did. Does this make the government of Pakistan terrorists by the same definition?
    Or do we call Taliban terrorists because they fight us in their own land in whatever way they can? Either way, the logic of referring to them as terrorists is extremely flawed.

    It is time we move beyond the Bush doctrine of "they are either with us or against us" and stop referring to anyone that fights back as a terrorist.
    The Taliban are our enemy. We made a legit prisoner exchange at the end of a war with the remnants of their previous Government.
    If those individuals that we released had been Al Qaeda, I would be outraged at our Government for releasing them. But as far as I know, they were not.
    We do not negotiate with terrorists.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    I could be wrong, but hasn't it been reported that as many as six soldiers were killed in attempts to locate and rescue Bergdahl over the time he was missing. Unless you have specific intelligence about where a single person may be located, it is virtually impossible to be successful in a brute force rescue - even then, brute force often leaves the victim dead and others too. For all we know at this point, Bergdahl may not have even been in Afghanistan prior to this deal being brokered.

    Even police and firefighters, people who spend their lives rescuing people in trouble, do not sacrifice their own lives unless they are pretty sure their rescue mission can be successful. Even when a firefighter is in trouble, in a building, other firefighters don't blindly go in to get him/her unless success is possible.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I also figured I should explain my thought process with this thread.

    Over the past week or so I've seen the accusation levied repeatedly that those on "the right" are being hypocritical in criticising the Obama Administration after some on "the right" were calling for us to rescue Bowe Bergdahl.

    I wanted to highlight exactly how it's possible to agree with the general notion that we don't leave soldiers behind and that we should try to rescue hime while while also voicing legitimace concerns and issues with the METHOD that it's being done.
    I think you are absolutely correct in pointing out that disagreement with the method is legitimate, and that some on the right are genuinely disagreeing with the method.

    However, I seriously doubt the majority of right-wingers are genuinely disagreeing with the method. So the left is returning the favor and inauthentically blasting the right as hypocritical.

    It is absolutely ridiculous that people are acting like they actually have some kind of righteous indignation in this situation. The decision was difficult. I happen to disagree with the one that was made, but I can see it would be difficult, and I can see how I might easily feel differently. It is pathetic what the right is willing to do to ruthlessly win the partisan battle.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Hypotheticals are stupid.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA hasn't been fighting a war in Mexico for 12 years.
    And? It is still an American military member who was arrested on bunk charges.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    I'd be against it. It would be very obvious, and his captors would probably simply kill him before we could get to him. Plus it would put a lot more soldiers in harm's way and run the risk of them getting captured and ending up in the same circumstances.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    It is pathetic what the right is willing to do to ruthlessly win the partisan battle.
    Considering your own post indicated the left is engaging in the same pathetic tactic I hope you understand that your one sided indignation is looked upon with a roll of the eyes.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Considering your own post indicated the left is engaging in the same pathetic tactic I hope you understand that your one sided indignation is looked upon with a roll of the eyes.
    I think both sides do it. I think one side does it ruthlessly, following a sort of scorched earth policy. I thought I indicated that pretty clearly, though not explicitly.
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