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  • I would have approved of that method.

    2 8.70%
  • I would not have approved of that method.

    18 78.26%
  • I agree that we should not leave an American behind

    8 34.78%
  • Prior to the past few weeks, I would have said "Yes, we should try to bring back Bergdahl"

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    We'd certainly be sacrificing many more soldiers who would die in the surge to look for Bergdahl. This is also assuming we know where he is and can get to him, which is a pretty dramatic and unfounded assumption.

    So no, I don't approve. Wasting many American lives to keep 5 **** heads in prison isn't really preserving American freedom.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    I dont believe the OP's suggested method would be the best method for rescue.

    Of course I'm not a military tactician but I'd recommend a small covert group going in and it would be all volunteer. And there would be volunteers because the men and women of our military for the most part really do believe in 'no man left behind.' Even with the accusations against him, I believe there would be volunteers.

    So I voted "I would not approve of that method."
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    *hiccup*

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Thanks everyone for your responses so far. I also figured I should explain my thought process with this thread.

    Over the past week or so I've seen the accusation levied repeatedly that those on "the right" are being hypocritical in criticising the Obama Administration after some on "the right" were calling for us to rescue Bowe Bergdahl.

    I wanted to highlight exactly how it's possible to agree with the general notion that we don't leave soldiers behind and that we should try to rescue hime while while also voicing legitimace concerns and issues with the METHOD that it's being done.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I wouldn't approve of that method, mainly because it would have put troops back into harms way. I have no problem with the President's decision to get Bergdahl back. That is something we should do because until he has a chance to comment on his behalf and a trial or investigation, he is innocent until proven guilty and is an American Soldier.

    What I have a problem with is he went thoguh all this for one soldier in Afghanistan,
    yet hasn't tried the same way for the military member sitting in a Mexican jail
    whom doesn't have nearly the contraversary as this Bergdahl. That is my issue with all of this.



    The USA hasn't been fighting a war in Mexico for 12 years.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA hasn't been fighting a war in Mexico for 12 years.
    This despite the on going invasion.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    This despite the on going invasion
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    Maybe Bush should have attacked Mexico instead of Iraq.

    We wouldn't of had to move our troops quite as far.

    And he could have said that they were already invading the USA, so we were just returning the favor.

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Maybe Bush should have attacked Mexico instead of Iraq.

    We wouldn't of had to move our troops quite as far.

    And he could have said that they were already invading the USA, so we were just returning the favor.
    but Mexico didn't have weapons of mass destruction.
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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    but Mexico didn't have weapons of mass destruction.



    We could have loaned them a few, heck they're our next-door neighbors!

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    Re: Would you approve of this action?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Let's take a hypothetical here.

    The Administration has established that it's wrong and offensive to leave any American behind. Prior to this whole prisoner swap people both on the left and right seemed to think it would be a good thing to get Bowe Bergdahl back. So, here's my question.

    What if instead of a prisoner swap, we had a surge. Troop levels in Afghanistan were ramped up back into peak numbers, with an aggressive and forceful ground and air effort against the taliban in an effort to locate and fight our way to Bergdahl and free him.

    Would you have been approving of that action in order to not leave an American behind? Or would you have had complaints over the method?
    There is always the devil in the details that makes application of a single clear principle impossible in these things and that makes it difficult to give a yes or no answer.

    If our role in Afghanistan in the first place was to so severely punish the Taliban so that they, or others, would be less able to commit a 9/11 kind of mayhem, then our initial strikes in Afghanistan are supportable. But if nation building and achieving a democratic government friendly to the free world is the goal, then we should jolly well have been prepared to go in with overwhelming force, regardless of whatever collateral damage occurred, and bring the existing government to its knees and unconditional surrender. And then we would dictate--not negotiate--dictate what was expected of the people in order to get their country back. That is what we did in Germany and Japan--we didn't concern ourselves or didn't care about winning the hearts and minds of the people. We bludgeoned two totalitarian empires into total submission, rebuilt them, and they have been peaceful citizens and allies of the free world ever since.

    Negotiations to retrieve one of our own are okay if they do not put other Americans at higher risk. The way Bergdahl's release was done, I believe did put Americans at higher risk. The Taliban won in every single aspect of that trade and don't think they aren't celebrating that and will draw from that experience for the next successful kidnap they are able to accomplish. And I'm sure they are scheming to accomplish it as we speak.

    Unless we are going to bring all our guys and gals home now and forget the whole thing there, the only surge I would approve would be overwhelming force and taking total control of the situation and to hell with what anybody else thinks about that. As we seem to have no political will to do that, I say bring everybody home and chalk it up to a huge mistake. Let's don't continue to throw precious blood and treasure into a lost cause.
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