View Poll Results: Is it good or bad to work with Obama?

Voters
9. You may not vote on this poll
  • It's good. Although I don't like him, the country needs solutions.

    4 44.44%
  • It's bad. Never give an inch.

    5 55.56%
Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 35

Thread: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

  1. #21
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:16 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,945
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Assuming you dislike Obama and his policies, do you think it's good or bad to work with him so that a middleground solution is reached?
    It is said politics is the art of the possible. What we have to today is both side taking the “My way or the highway approach.” The all of nothing or nothing approach. You see this in the senate where Republican filibuster some 150 times to stop anything Democratic, where Senator Reid has tabled some 200 House passed bills to stop anything Republican. No debates or votes on anything Republican.

    For compromise to work both sides must be willing. Both sides have to be willing to give and take. The president must be willing to say I will give you that because it is important to you if you give me this because it is important to me. Both sides also must be willing to accept a half of loaf if they can’t get a full one. This willingness to take a couple of steps back on an issue so latter on you can take three or four steps forward is totally lacking.

    I consider the best president’s in my lifetime to be Eisenhower, JFK, Reagan and Clinton. IKE worked very closely with LBJ, then senate majority leader and had him over to the White House three times a week to discuss how IKE could get what he wanted through congress. Of course this also included what LBJ wanted. JFK worked very closely with Everit Dirksen, then senate minority leader to do the same. Then there is the legend of Reagan and Tip O’Neal, then Democratic Speaker of the House coming together so each could get some of what they wanted. Even Clinton worked across the aisle with Gingrich, Hastert and Lott. But the bottom line is each president has to be the first to approach those across the aisle and to show he is willing to work with them. This four president's reached out to those across the aisle and had serious discussions with them and in the end worked out compromises where each got some and gave some. President Obama has never reached out, he has no one on the opposite of the aisle he can go to when things gets tough. Tradition and History have shown it is the president who must first show a willingness to work with the other side, who must reach out first. This president hasn’t done that preferring to make those fellow Americans across the aisle his own worst enemy.

    So I assume the “My way or the highway,” the all or nothing approach will continue for the next 2 and one half years. Neither side budging an inch.
    Last edited by Perotista; 06-09-14 at 11:17 AM.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  2. #22
    Curmudgeon


    LowDown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Houston
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 12:07 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    11,566
    Blog Entries
    11

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Assuming you dislike Obama and his policies, do you think it's good or bad to work with him so that a middleground solution is reached?
    Absolutely. The trouble is that the President so far hasn't offered anything close to what one would call a middle ground and has rejected all such proposals from the other side. If it's not 100% his way he's not interested.

    "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --HL Mencken

  3. #23
    Doesn't go below juicy
    tacomancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Cleveland
    Last Seen
    05-20-16 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    31,781

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh and just so you know, congress can't actually give up any of it's powers to the president. It's not really legal for them to pass a law that creates an executive agency for example.
    Again, this has happened and has been held up in courts, so here we are, what solutions do you propose that can be realistically be implemented outside of an armed revolution? This is the scope of my discussion.

  4. #24
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Given the simplistic and incomplete nature of the poll, I chose it was bad.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  5. #25
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Again, this has happened and has been held up in courts, so here we are, what solutions do you propose that can be realistically be implemented outside of an armed revolution? This is the scope of my discussion.
    An amendment really wouldn't work with a government that actively ignores their own laws, so I guess nothing.

  6. #26
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Absolutely. The trouble is that the President so far hasn't offered anything close to what one would call a middle ground and has rejected all such proposals from the other side. If it's not 100% his way he's not interested.
    The way he sees it he can do whatever he wants without congress, and considering that he is a complete and utter asshole there wouldn't logically be any reason he would be all that interested in working with anyone.

  7. #27
    Sage
    Gaius46's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    New York
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:00 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    8,494

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "Working with" and "compromising" are not the same things.
    Not sure I agree within the context of the American political system. And even if you want to call the different animals both are required.
    Don't be a grammar nazi - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, Book 1 #7

  8. #28
    Doesn't go below juicy
    tacomancer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Cleveland
    Last Seen
    05-20-16 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    31,781

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    An amendment really wouldn't work with a government that actively ignores their own laws, so I guess nothing.
    Ok so I will ask my original question.

    Given that the president is doing what he ca to implement his agenda, would it be better for congress to work with him to have some control over the end product?

  9. #29
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    07-19-17 @ 03:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    60,458

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Ok so I will ask my original question.

    Given that the president is doing what he ca to implement his agenda, would it be better for congress to work with him to have some control over the end product?
    Is it better to be responsible for terrible unconstitutional laws or to not be responsible for terrible unconstitutional laws? I pick the later.

  10. #30
    Sage
    JumpinJack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Dallas, TX
    Last Seen
    05-12-17 @ 10:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    6,628

    Re: Compromising with Obama: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Assuming you dislike Obama and his policies, do you think it's good or bad to work with him so that a middleground solution is reached?
    Once again, my answer isn't included. My answer: Compromise is the way a democratic government works. There is no compromise in dictatorships.

    It shouldn't matter that the President is Obama (except I gather you hate him, or otherwise your question would have been "should there be compromise with the President?"). The Congress and the White House must compromise, regardless of who is in the W.H. and who is in Congress. That doesn't mean compromise on everything all the time. But there has to be a meeting of the minds as to the budget and other things necessary for the running of the government. Otherwise, it hurts the country and its citizens. We saw that the shutdown caused by Cruze cost us something like $30 billion. We could've used that money for something else. It hurt the country (us), for no purpose.

Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •