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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You want me to prove a negative? Too tiresome.
    I am asking you to disprove the article, specifically what I quoted. And no, stating "it came from the NYT" does not count.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    The poll results are interesting in themselves and help shed light on why Bush's poll numbers were so low throughout his second term.

    Consider that (as of this writing) there are 61 self-identified lean-right respondents and 62 lean-lefts, essentially dividing the pool of American voters equally.

    Whereas a majority of right-wingers rate Bush positively (albeit a bare majority of 52%), virtually all left-wingers (97%) view Bush negatively. This is more or less what I would expect the polling data throughout his presidency to reveal: that the opposition party universally disapproved of Bush from the very beginning, but his own party split in its support as time passed. This would easily be accounted for as Bush alienated conservatives on a number of fronts, most poignantly in pushing amnesty in 2005-2006. Independents, who rallied around Bush early also bled quickly as the media pounded war-weariness with the GWoT into the public's consciousness.

    Interesting here, however, is that Bush's reputation among the right does not seem to have appreciably risen under the current administration.
    George Bush has passed Barrack Obama as far as competence, and many other issues, is concerned.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Grant, here's a source you would trust: The Weekly Standard.

    Hmm, what did they have to say about Bush's involvement in the housing crisis?


    At first, 30 percent of all mortgages purchased by Fannie and Freddie had to be loans made to borrowers at or below the median income in the places where they lived, but in 2000 Clinton’s HUD secretary, Andrew Cuomo, increased this quota to 50 percent. When the Bush administration took office in 2001, it had an opportunity to end this program, but it gave HUD a free hand, allowing the agency to raise the affordable housing quota to 55 percent in 2007, and doing nothing to cut back the scope of the Community Reinvestment Act.

    In order to meet the growing quota for financing low-income borrowers, Fannie and Freddie had to relax their underwriting standards; that was the whole idea. By 2008, half of all mortgages—28 million loans—were subprime or otherwise low quality; of these, 74 percent were on the books of Fannie and Freddie and other government agencies or government-controlled entities. The funds that the government poured into the low-income housing market through Fannie and Freddie raised homeownership rates from 65 percent in 1995 to 69 percent in 2004, the highest rate ever recorded.

    Bush took credit for this, but the huge expansion of subsidized mortgage funds also built the largest housing bubble in U.S. history. When the bubble began to deflate, it became clear why subprime mortgages had always before been a niche business—they defaulted in unprecedented numbers, driving down housing prices nationwide and weakening most major financial institutions. When Lehman Brothers failed in September 2008, a full-scale panic—the financial crisis—ensued.

    Romney should not deny Bush’s error. Although Clinton began the process of forcing low mortgage underwriting standards, Bush continued and enhanced it.


    the housing bubble | The Weekly Standard
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    He was the absolute worst president in the nation's entire history, bar none.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And that makes Barorge Obambush a good president?
    Hell no.

    Since the two aren't that different...
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Hell no.

    Since the two aren't that different...
    The two are radically different - and neither is wonderful - but at least BO hasn't killed nearly as many Americans.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    The two are radically different - and neither is wonderful - but at least BO hasn't killed nearly as many Americans.
    Neither has killed a single American.

    Sent into harms way unnecessarily, perhaps.

    But presidents have been doing that for centuries. Comes with the job. Even presidents are human, and make mistakes. Some are more forgivable than others.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Neither has killed a single American.

    Sent into harms way unnecessarily, perhaps.

    But presidents have been doing that for centuries. Comes with the job. Even presidents are human, and make mistakes. Some are more forgivable than others.
    It wasn't a mistake. It was an attempt at narcissistic validation by doing what Daddy wasn't willing to do.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    It wasn't a mistake. It was an attempt at narcissistic validation by doing what Daddy wasn't willing to do.
    That's...kinda the definition of a mistake.

    In some ways.


    Assuming you are correct, that is.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That's...kinda the definition of a mistake.

    In some ways.


    Assuming you are correct, that is.
    Not really: sending troops into harm's way "by mistake" would have to mean that the CoC thought it was vital to the security of the nation. I strongly doubt that W knew - or even cared - whether the nation's security had anything to do with his decision.
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