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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not maintaining troops there was a mistake and all the generals said so. The peace was a mistake. Even Joe Biden said after George Bush left office that Iraq was stable with a good future.
    Biden is an idiot for saying that. Of course its unstable and the Bush Admin made it unstable. It will not be stable for many more years.


    Saddam had tried to develop nuclear weapons, used gas on his own people, had body dumps all over Iraq and had wars with his neighbors, had bombed Israel, tried to get the Big Gun to bomb Israel, had 'rape rooms', bribed UN members, shot on America planes, and so on. How was this stable?
    As I said, it was not perfect. He did horrible things to his people, but so do many political leaders who we happen to be allies with. Should we invade them, too? Btw, you do know he committed many of these atrocities while the US was allied with Iraq?


    It ended up that way because Barrack Obama withdrew the troops. That's the only reason.
    You're right. There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before Obama went in. There was no Abu-Ghraib before Obama went in. There were no car bombs going off daily on market streets before Obama went in. There was no widespread sectarian violence before Obama went in. Gimme a break.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    As witness to that, they're already reminding us of all the Democrats who voted to authorize the invasion. It won't be long before it's the fault of the left wing.
    It is sad, really. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

    I confess that I supported the invasion back in 2003 (when I was still a Republican). In 2005, I admitted to all my friends and family I was wrong.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    So you deny Bush's role? What exactly did that article get wrong? Be specific!
    The problem began in the Carter Administration, exasperated by the Clinton Administration and then:

    Bush did foresee the danger posed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage finance giants. The president spent years pushing a recalcitrant Congress to toughen regulation of the companies, but was unwilling to compromise when his former Treasury secretary wanted to cut a deal. And the regulator Bush chose to oversee them - an old school buddy - pronounced the companies sound even as they headed toward insolvency.
    The NYT if you notice, are going by hearsay. They do that even when they are simply repeating what they were told happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqYY72PeRM Watch what Clinton says.

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac: Scandal in U.S. Housing - Google Books

    This topic has been well hashed over the years but you'll maintain your beliefs, I'm sure.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem began in the Carter Administration, exasperated by the Clinton Administration
    Neither I, nor NYT, claimed past presidents played no role in it. So please show me how Bush HAD NO ROLE IN THE CRISIS.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    The poll results are interesting in themselves and help shed light on why Bush's poll numbers were so low throughout his second term.

    Consider that (as of this writing) there are 61 self-identified lean-right respondents and 62 lean-lefts, essentially dividing the pool of American voters equally.

    Whereas a majority of right-wingers rate Bush positively (albeit a bare majority of 52%), virtually all left-wingers (97%) view Bush negatively. This is more or less what I would expect the polling data throughout his presidency to reveal: that the opposition party universally disapproved of Bush from the very beginning, but his own party split in its support as time passed. This would easily be accounted for as Bush alienated conservatives on a number of fronts, most poignantly in pushing amnesty in 2005-2006. Independents, who rallied around Bush early also bled quickly as the media pounded war-weariness with the GWoT into the public's consciousness.

    Interesting here, however, is that Bush's reputation among the right does not seem to have appreciably risen under the current administration.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Grant, let me summarize it for you with a quote from Bush's economic advisor Lawrence Lindsay:

    "No one wanted to stop that bubble. It would have conflicted with the president's own policies."
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    And Grant, please prove any falsehoods in the following excerpt:

    But for much of Bush's tenure, government statistics show, incomes for most families remained relatively stagnant while housing prices skyrocketed. That put home ownership increasingly out of reach for first-time buyers like West.

    So Bush had to, in his words, "use the mighty muscle of the federal government" to meet his goal. He proposed affordable housing tax incentives. He insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac meet ambitious new goals for low-income lending.

    Concerned that down payments were a barrier, Bush persuaded Congress to spend as much as $200 million a year to help first-time buyers with down payments and closing costs.

    And he pushed to allow first-time buyers to qualify for government insured mortgages with no money down.




    With it being NYT and all, I'm sure you will find more than enough.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Biden is an idiot for saying that. Of course its unstable and the Bush Admin made it unstable. It will not be stable for many more years.
    Actually Biden was correct at the time though his foolishness was trying to take credit for it.
    As I said, it was not perfect. He did horrible things to his people, but so do many political leaders who we happen to be allies with. Should we invade them, too? Btw, you do know he committed many of these atrocities while the US was allied with Iraq?
    He was 'not perfect'? The guy was a murderous despot! Who are you suggesting we invade, and would it make any sense?

    Here's what Bill C had to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Neither I, nor NYT, claimed past presidents played no role in it. So please show me how Bush HAD NO ROLE IN THE CRISIS.
    You want me to prove a negative? Too tiresome.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Actually Biden was correct at the time though his foolishness was trying to take credit for it.
    Oh yes, sectarian violence was a distant memory and Sunnis/Shias were holding hands in the streets singing Kumbaya.

    He was 'not perfect'? The guy was a murderous despot!
    I didn't say Saddam 'was not perfect.' I said the situation in Iraq was not perfect. Of course he was a murderous despot. That is not a reason to invade a country.

    Who are you suggesting we invade, and would it make any sense?
    How about half of the African nations. Or how about Saudi Arabia, since they are perfectly willing to murder any woman they deem 'impure.' Oh wait, nvm, Bush preferred to hold hands and kiss their leader.


    Here's what Bill C had to say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc
    You think I give a damn what that chubby-chaser had to say?
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