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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I get the mindless Bush blame from the left.

    Its all they have really.

    But the cause of the 2008 Financial crisis has been discussed on this forum thoroughly, and it wasn't Bush that caused it.
    LOL...and Herbert Hoover was also an economic genius that shared no responsibility for the great depression, right?

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I get the mindless Bush blame from the left.

    Its all they have really.

    But the cause of the 2008 Financial crisis has been discussed on this forum thoroughly, and it wasn't Bush that caused it.
    But the theory that "Bush did it" is easier for them to digest. Otherwise it just gets too complicated. It would also require some research, an idea which repels them.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But the theory that "Bush did it" is easier for them to digest. Otherwise it just gets too complicated. It would also require some research, an idea which repels them.
    And the right, in contrast, never bashes a Democratic president when a bit of research would reveal that the issue for which he is being bashed has nothing to do with him at all.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    George W. Bush was a good, not great president.

    Despite quibbles regarding the actual prosecution on the Global War on Terror, Bush took necessary steps to safeguard the nation, preventing another terrorist attack on American soil. While some of the security measures may be heavy-handed in relation to their infringement on civil liberties, that is a price this American is willing to pay to prevent another 9/11. Such policies can (and have) been reviewed and can (and have) received bipartisan support. Laws can be changed. Policies can be ended. Lives lost cannot be restored.

    Both Afghanistan and Iraq were legitimate wars in prosecuting the GWoT. The public backlash - fueled in no small part by the liberal media - over each handcuffed the president from doing more to eliminate the threat of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. Had Bush's support at home not evaporated in his second term, he likely would have okayed or participated in some limited military engagement to disrupt Iran's nuclear ambitions (as he should have regardless of the political winds). Thanks to Bush, Afghanistan went from being a safe haven and training ground for al-Qaeda, run by the thugocracy of the Taliban and entirely hostile to the interests of the United States to being a non-threatening ally (albeit a hesitant, corrupt, imperfect one). Iraq went from the greatest military threat in the Middle East governed by an avowed foe of the United States who gave aid and comfort to terrorists over the years, attempted to assasinate a United States president, and had used Weapons of Mass Destruction (i.e. chemical agents) while seeking to build a nuclear weapon, flagrantly violating international sanctions and law, to becoming a potential stablizing force and a fledgling non-sectarian democracy which could be used to advance American interests rather than actively seeking to thwart them.

    Both wars were won. The American people, inflamed by the press, did not have the stomach for an extended occupation, nor did they care for the nuances of geopolitics and the very good national security reasons to see the job through. President Bush failed to take his case to the American people and persuade them to stay the course. As a war president, this was his greatest failure. I can't help but believe that more accurately identifying and discrediting the enemy (Islam) in a massive propaganda campaign (much as previous administrations marshalled resources against communism in order to fight the Soviet Union) would have substantially helped Bush make even greater progress towards securing the nation and protecting our interests at home and abroad.

    Even after 9 years in Iraq and 14 years in Afghanistan, combat deaths for American forces have only reached approximately one-eighth those in Vietnam and one-fiftieth of those in World War II. More than twice as many combat deaths occurred during the Mexican-American War. In fact, of the nation's 10 wars, the combined deaths in the War on Terror represent the second-lowest (exceeded only by the guerrilla war in the Philippines). As for the expense of the wars, Bush's debt-to-GDP ratio of 2.7% was nearly half that of either his father's or Ronald Reagan's administrations. (Until the Republican-forced sequester began lowering it, Obama's debt-to-GDP ratio stood at a whopping 8.9% through FY2012.) Federal outlays under Bush averaged just a little less than under the Clinton administration when compared to GDP. In other words, while the administration may have spent a lot of money, the growing economy made it affordable. The biggest driver of federal spending under the Bush administration was the increase in entitlement spending, mandatory under federal law.

    Which leads me to Bush's domestic policies. If his greatest failure was in calling a spade a spade and treating the War on Terror as Truman, Ike and subsequent administrations treated the Cold War, then his greatest domestic failure was to utilize his political capital to pass meaningful entitlement reform, particularly on Social Security. (Followed closely by Bush's push for amnesty which, in a misguided attempt to win Hispanic voters to the GOP, wound up costing his party control of Congress in the 2006 mid-term elections.) But Part II of the lesson will have to wait until this old man's had his dinner.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Lousy president that left the country worse than when he took office. Iraq was a thunder**** of a decision. NCLB was pure idiocy. Obama is making it even worse...
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    One way in which to look at presidents is by making the most direct comparisons possible.

    Bush was a better president than either Al Gore (his 2000 opponent) or John Kerry (his 2004 opponent) would have been. The past six years under Obama have gone a long way towards making Bush look better than he did upon leaving office. Any objective analysis of President Clinton will almost certainly leave W ahead there too.

    A president who was better than his predecessor, better than either of his opponents, and better than his successor is awfully hard to label as a "bad" president.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And the right, in contrast, never bashes a Democratic president when a bit of research would reveal that the issue for which he is being bashed has nothing to do with him at all.

    Right, right?
    Perhaps.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Was George W Bush a good president?
    Let's see:

    NCLB---> Failed
    Misleading the country on WMDs ---> Failed
    Iraq War ---> Failed
    Plan to privatize SS---> Failed
    Preparing for inevitable recession ---> Failed
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post

    Veterans don't fault Bush for Iraq
    If you don't fault Bush then who do you fault?

    Well, judging from that phrasing, at least the Right is finally starting to admit the Iraq War was a mistake.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    If you don't fault Bush then who do you fault?

    Well, judging from that phrasing, at least the Right is finally starting to admit the Iraq War was a mistake.
    You can judge al that by the phrasing? You are special!

    You miss poor old Saddam, huh?

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