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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What you're missing, however, is the electoral aspect - a heck of a lot of those blacks live in the deeply-red South, and if they had voted for Romney, it would have made zero difference in the overall outcome. If the black vote had been split 50-50 in blue states, maybe Obama would have lost Ohio, maybe Indiana...but that's probably about it. Maybe Pennsylvania, too. It would admittedly have been a heck of a lot closer.

    But the key is, Obama lost the white vote by a significant amount, but it was his popularity among blacks and Hispanics that made up for that shortcoming. Even the conservative pundits were bewailing that fact by the next morning.

    America is browning - that's a simple demographic fact. Any party that makes non-whites feel unwelcome (as the GOP (and particularly the TP) certainly has) is screwing itself over in the long run. Problem is, with very few exceptions (the victory of Thad Cochran in MS being one such exception), it's very difficult for Republicans to win primaries these days if they take a minority-friendly position.

    The Democrats are minority-friendly in word and deed. The Republicans are perceived as not being minority-friendly. America is browning. Those three facts add up to some real problems for the GOP in the future.
    Oh I know where you are coming from, I have the stats that I could figure out where each state would have fallen but that seems a bit like too much work. Here are the 4 closest states and the margin of victory:

    Florida, 0.88% Black population 16%, if as you state the black population split 50-50, Florida goes to Romney
    North Carolina, 2.04% Black population 26% but irrelevant because Romney won the state.
    Ohio, 2.98% Black population 12% if as you state the black population split 50-50, Ohio goes to Romney
    Virginia, 3.87% Black population 20%, if as you state the black population split 50-50, Virginia goes to Romney

    That cuts the electoral vote from 332-306 to 272-266 for Obama. Pennsylvania has a black population of 11% and Obama won it by 5.39%, talk about a tight race if we used the 50-50 deal. There are a couple of other states that would have been pretty close. But the 2012 election would have revolved around Pennsylvania.

    I love messing with this stuff. With 25% of the black vote, Romney wins the popular vote and those 3 states I mentioned above. He would not have needed 50% to carry Virginia, Florida and Ohio. 25% would have done the trick. As for the white vote in 2012 Romney won that 59-39, in 2008 McCain won it 55-43. Democratic Candidates with the largest share of the white vote are 1. Carter 48%, 2. Clinton 44% Obama 43%.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Oh I know where you are coming from, I have the stats that I could figure out where each state would have fallen but that seems a bit like too much work. Here are the 4 closest states and the margin of victory:

    Florida, 0.88% Black population 16%, if as you state the black population split 50-50, Florida goes to Romney
    North Carolina, 2.04% Black population 26% but irrelevant because Romney won the state.
    Ohio, 2.98% Black population 12% if as you state the black population split 50-50, Ohio goes to Romney
    Virginia, 3.87% Black population 20%, if as you state the black population split 50-50, Virginia goes to Romney

    That cuts the electoral vote from 332-306 to 272-266 for Obama. Pennsylvania has a black population of 11% and Obama won it by 5.39%, talk about a tight race if we used the 50-50 deal. There are a couple of other states that would have been pretty close. But the 2012 election would have revolved around Pennsylvania.

    I love messing with this stuff. With 25% of the black vote, Romney wins the popular vote and those 3 states I mentioned above. He would not have needed 50% to carry Virginia, Florida and Ohio. 25% would have done the trick. As for the white vote in 2012 Romney won that 59-39, in 2008 McCain won it 55-43. Democratic Candidates with the largest share of the white vote are 1. Carter 48%, 2. Clinton 44% Obama 43%.
    And in the 2016 election, Hillary will have this Democratic advantage with the minorities (if not to the same extent among blacks that Obama had), but she'll garner more of the white vote than Obama did...and she'll do especially well with the female vote. That's why I say that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide.

    Of course I'm biased - I've still got two campaign posters for her downstairs in my storage room.
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    As governor in 1999, GWB deregulated Texas electricity and set renewable energy targets. Just this past March 26, Texas set a new record for instantaneous wind generation, producing 10,300 megawatts, enough to power 5 million homes. And the TEA party and Koch want to shut it down .
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What you're missing, however, is the electoral aspect - a heck of a lot of those blacks live in the deeply-red South, and if they had voted for Romney, it would have made zero difference in the overall outcome. If the black vote had been split 50-50 in blue states, maybe Obama would have lost Ohio, maybe Indiana...but that's probably about it. Maybe Pennsylvania, too. It would admittedly have been a heck of a lot closer.

    But the key is, Obama lost the white vote by a significant amount, but it was his popularity among blacks and Hispanics that made up for that shortcoming. Even the conservative pundits were bewailing that fact by the next morning.

    America is browning - that's a simple demographic fact. Any party that makes non-whites feel unwelcome (as the GOP (and particularly the TP) certainly has) is screwing itself over in the long run. Problem is, with very few exceptions (the victory of Thad Cochran in MS being one such exception), it's very difficult for Republicans to win primaries these days if they take a minority-friendly position.

    The Democrats are minority-friendly in word and deed. The Republicans are perceived as not being minority-friendly. America is browning. Those three facts add up to some real problems for the GOP in the future.
    America is 'browning' and the browns like 'left wing' policies? Why would they want that?

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And in the 2016 election, Hillary will have this Democratic advantage with the minorities (if not to the same extent among blacks that Obama had), but she'll garner more of the white vote than Obama did...and she'll do especially well with the female vote. That's why I say that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide.

    Of course I'm biased - I've still got two campaign posters for her downstairs in my storage room.
    Why would you vote for Hillary Clinton?

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    And in the 2016 election, Hillary will have this Democratic advantage with the minorities (if not to the same extent among blacks that Obama had), but she'll garner more of the white vote than Obama did...and she'll do especially well with the female vote. That's why I say that if she runs, she'll win in a landslide.

    Of course I'm biased - I've still got two campaign posters for her downstairs in my storage room.
    LOL, already set I see. I really doubt if she can pull in 93% of the black vote. Even in this day and age that is hard to do. The white vote, I don't know. I do think 40% or there about is all she has to get to win. But that also depends on the Hispanic vote, 73% went for President Obama this time around, 64% is the average for the last 9 elections. 88% is the average over the same number of years for the black vote.
    Below are the census estimate of the breakdown by race for 2016 election and if we just use the average vote totals for the last 9 election and assume Hillary gets 40% of the white vote, I come up with these figures.
    White 70% of the electorate, 40% vote for Hillary equals 28%
    Black 14% of the electorate, 88% vote for Hillary equals 12.3%
    Hispanic 15% of the electorate 64% vote for Hillary equals 9.6%

    Total comes out to 49.9% just hitting the averages. A close win in the popular vote. But so much depends on whom the Republicans run. In the electoral college, in trustworthy Democratic states Hillary would be starting out with 256 EV’s with just 14 more needed to win. Florida or Ohio would put her over the top and if she were to lose those two states, Virginia with its 13 EV would guarantee a tie. I am not counting Nevada, Colorado, Iowa or New Hampshire.

    These facts is why a pre bridgegate Christie nomination scared the Democrats so. He would take 14 EV away for NJ dropping the 256 down to 242 and if say, a Susanna Martinez, the NM governor was added to a Christie ticket that would mean only 237 in the trustworthy column and a pre bridgegate Christie might even be able to win Penn, Conn and perhaps a couple of other trustworthy Democratic states. But I think Christie is now history.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As governor in 1999, GWB deregulated Texas electricity and set renewable energy targets. Just this past March 26, Texas set a new record for instantaneous wind generation, producing 10,300 megawatts, enough to power 5 million homes. And the TEA party and Koch want to shut it down .

    Conservatives want what works, and wind and solar DONT.

    Not as legitmate replacement to Fossil fuels.

    If we listened to people like you we could wind up like Germany.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    America is 'browning' and the browns like 'left wing' policies? Why would they want that?
    The very fact that you would ask that question says quite a bit about you as a person.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would you vote for Hillary Clinton?
    Personally, I'd much prefer Elizabeth Warren. Heck, I'd honestly prefer Bush 41 over either Clinton. But Hillary is better than anyone the GOP will offer up, and she'll bring along with her a lot of congressional victories because of increased Democratic voter turnout.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The very fact that you would ask that question says quite a bit about you as a person.
    Really? Why not answer the question?

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