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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If we could only get people to ignore the ads and think for themselves, we could pull off a bloodless coup at the ballto box, but I suppose that is asking too much.
    It sure is. The same hot button topics polarize voters to the lesser of two evils, every time, without fail. Still, before we get away from this two party system, we need runoff elections. Without them, there will from time to time be a Perot that some of the electorate thinks took the winning votes away from their candidate.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1063458117]I suppose, but I still think they could attract more people to their party if they would stop with the "self righteous" bull crap. We all KNOW they aren't righteous anyways. Obviously some of them can't be taking these issues TOO seriously.[/QUOTER


    No, most just give it lip service.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It sure is. The same hot button topics polarize voters to the lesser of two evils, every time, without fail. Still, before we get away from this two party system, we need runoff elections. Without them, there will from time to time be a Perot that some of the electorate thinks took the winning votes away from their candidate.
    It's such a crappy situation though. People feel like they are throwing their vote away when they vote for a third party or lesser known candidate. Shame really. The two main parties have SUCH a monopoly on our politics with such limited and narrow-minded views. BOTH of the main parties will become obsolete hopefully soon. I really think that people are STARTING to wake up.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    It's not like the Democrats have not adopted religion. Their god is the state and they ostracize anyone who does not bow down at the feet of the federal government. up until now they've had good luck with it because they've been able to abuse the producer class enough to provide for the dependent class but sooner or later that will no longer be possible and the it's really going to hit the fan.
    Your quote is a wonderful example of "I don't like those people, so whatever bad things I think of, they must be guilty of."

    In other words, it simply doesn't occur to you that just because a certain group of people have a different set of political beliefs from you, that they might actually be everyday people who work hard, pay their bills, and pay their taxes.

    Want proof? Look at the ethnic group that is the most highly educated, most financially successful: Asian Americans. Are you going to call them lazy "takers" who are dependent on the state? Of course you wouldn't. But 73% of those Asian Americans voted for Obama in 2012.

    That, and if Dems were so lazy and dependent on the state, then shouldn't blue states be more dependent upon the federal dole than red states? But in reality, it's just the opposite:

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    In other words, it's time for you to see your political prejudice for what it is. We Dems and liberals work hard, we pay our taxes...and as you can see above, we generally pay out more than we receive, whereas the Republicans generally receive more than they pay out.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, but that is part of the GOP base. A reliable voting group much like blacks are with the Democratic Party. The problem for Republicans is that they have been the smaller party ever since the beginnings of the Great depression. Sometimes by as much as 2-1. I am not defending the Republican Party for having them, but can the Republican Party cast a huge portion of their base aside and still be viable? Could the Democratic Party cast away the black vote and still be viable? Apples to oranges I know, but each makes up a sizable amount of each parties base. Its a catch 22 situation, dang if they do and dang if they don't. The Republicans can't attract the pure fiscal conservatives who dislike their stance on social issue and they can't afford to throw the social conservatives under the bus.
    Actually, yes, the Democratic party can cast away the black vote and be viable. If you'll notice, Hispanics strongly went Democratic this past election - and there's a lot more of them than blacks. Not only that, but women did, too - and there's a heck of a lot more of them than blacks and Hispanics put together. Pretty much the only ethnic constituency that the GOP won was mature white men.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, yes, the Democratic party can cast away the black vote and be viable. If you'll notice, Hispanics strongly went Democratic this past election - and there's a lot more of them than blacks. Not only that, but women did, too - and there's a heck of a lot more of them than blacks and Hispanics put together. Pretty much the only ethnic constituency that the GOP won was mature white men.
    I would say it is questionable considering President Obama won by roughly 5 million votes. Blacks went for Obama by a 93-6% margin and they made up 13% of the total vote. There was approximately 127 million votes cast and 13% of those are would be 16.5 million. Now subtracting 93% of the black vote from President Obama's total, which is 15.4 million leaves the president with 50.6 million votes. Doing the same for Romney, 6% of the black vote which is 1 million votes and his total is 59.9 million votes. So without the black vote, President Obama would have got whopped. Fortunately, that didn't happen.

    If Romney could have just gotten 4 million blacks to vote for him, a percentage of roughly 25% instead of 6% he would have won. This is a big Republican shortcoming when it comes to elections. Eisenhower did that twice 25% in 1952 and 40% in 1956, Even Richard Nixon garnered 32% of the black vote in 1960. But since then the best the Republicans could do is 15% of the black vote 1968 for Nixon again and 1976 for Gerald Ford.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    My top two are Wilson and Obama. It's a difficult task for those of us that are not presidential historians to accurately and objectively compare and contrast all of the presidents we've had.
    I respect your view.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you think the country was as divided under Reagan as it is under Obama? I honestly can't remember because I was very young when Reagan was president, but from everything I've learned, read and heard about him, he was a pretty good president who accomplished quite a bit with bipartisan support.
    No . . . it wasn't that divided even under Nixon. However, that is not Obama's fault . . . with all his mis-steps. That division . . . almost a hate, was generated through the last 3-4 decades. It ain't everything, but him being half black and (wink wink) a Kenyan may have some little bit to do with it for some particular folk. Again, we have Liberal cowards and Bat Shirt Crazy members of the GOP. What is worse is when you know giant corporations are hedging their bets by giving to both sides so they can keep the status Quo, and that is why why the "Average Joe" suffers year after year by NOT not making their future generation better than what they had.

    The times . . . they have changed.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Actually, yes, the Democratic party can cast away the black vote and be viable. If you'll notice, Hispanics strongly went Democratic this past election - and there's a lot more of them than blacks. Not only that, but women did, too - and there's a heck of a lot more of them than blacks and Hispanics put together. Pretty much the only ethnic constituency that the GOP won was mature white men.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I would say it is questionable considering President Obama won by roughly 5 million votes. Blacks went for Obama by a 93-6% margin and they made up 13% of the total vote. There was approximately 127 million votes cast and 13% of those are would be 16.5 million. Now subtracting 93% of the black vote from President Obama's total, which is 15.4 million leaves the president with 50.6 million votes. Doing the same for Romney, 6% of the black vote which is 1 million votes and his total is 59.9 million votes. So without the black vote, President Obama would have got whopped. Fortunately, that didn't happen.

    If Romney could have just gotten 4 million blacks to vote for him, a percentage of roughly 25% instead of 6% he would have won. This is a big Republican shortcoming when it comes to elections. Eisenhower did that twice 25% in 1952 and 40% in 1956, Even Richard Nixon garnered 32% of the black vote in 1960. But since then the best the Republicans could do is 15% of the black vote 1968 for Nixon again and 1976 for Gerald Ford.
    What you're missing, however, is the electoral aspect - a heck of a lot of those blacks live in the deeply-red South, and if they had voted for Romney, it would have made zero difference in the overall outcome. If the black vote had been split 50-50 in blue states, maybe Obama would have lost Ohio, maybe Indiana...but that's probably about it. Maybe Pennsylvania, too. It would admittedly have been a heck of a lot closer.

    But the key is, Obama lost the white vote by a significant amount, but it was his popularity among blacks and Hispanics that made up for that shortcoming. Even the conservative pundits were bewailing that fact by the next morning.

    America is browning - that's a simple demographic fact. Any party that makes non-whites feel unwelcome (as the GOP (and particularly the TP) certainly has) is screwing itself over in the long run. Problem is, with very few exceptions (the victory of Thad Cochran in MS being one such exception), it's very difficult for Republicans to win primaries these days if they take a minority-friendly position.

    The Democrats are minority-friendly in word and deed. The Republicans are perceived as not being minority-friendly. America is browning. Those three facts add up to some real problems for the GOP in the future.
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