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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I totally agree.
    What we need to do is replace the incumbents, regardless of their party affiliation. But, that's just pie in the sky. So many people just vote for "their" party that nothing is likely to change.
    That wasn't my point, it makes no difference what incumbent we replace as long as the one replacing the incumbent is still beholding to those same special interests, lobbyist, corporations, Wall Street etc. Big deal, we get a new face, but that face still has an R or a D behind his name which translate to being bought by the moneyed folks I just mentioned. They owe the moneyed folks for their election to what ever office.

    But with Citizens United ruling by the supreme court, it just give cart blank authority to those folks who buy our elected leaders through multi million dollar campaign donations.
    This Reform Party member is extremely happy to see according to Gallup that independents now make up 44% of the electorate as of 8 Jan 2017. The two major parties continue to shrink as one moves farther right, the other left. They leave more and more of middle America without a political home. They made up over 80% in the 1950's, down to 53% today.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Do you think the country was as divided under Reagan as it is under Obama? I honestly can't remember because I was very young when Reagan was president, but from everything I've learned, read and heard about him, he was a pretty good president who accomplished quite a bit with bipartisan support.
    I don't recall the country being divided when Reagan was president. Overall, he was a very popular president, but a lot of his popularity was based on the things he said and the way he came across rather than his accomplishments. Reagan was a very likable guy, and said all the right things about fighting Communism and so on. His "tear down this wall" statement is remembered to this day. What people forget is that he was a popular and likable president who presided over the Iran Contra affair, the bail out of the S and L industry, and an increase in deficit spending.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That wasn't my point, it makes no difference what incumbent we replace as long as the one replacing the incumbent is still beholding to those same special interests, lobbyist, corporations, Wall Street etc. Big deal, we get a new face, but that face still has an R or a D behind his name which translate to being bought by the moneyed folks I just mentioned. They owe the moneyed folks for their election to what ever office.

    But with Citizens United ruling by the supreme court, it just give cart blank authority to those folks who buy our elected leaders through multi million dollar campaign donations.
    Right. Replacing one purchased politician with another purchased politician isn't going to change anything.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    It's not like the Democrats have not adopted religion. Their god is the state and they ostracize anyone who does not bow down at the feet of the federal government. up until now they've had good luck with it because they've been able to abuse the producer class enough to provide for the dependent class but sooner or later that will no longer be possible and the it's really going to hit the fan.
    Honestly, I thought the TEA party was a GREAT idea when it first came out. I am for anything that is against excessive taxation, which is exactly what our government does to us constantly. But then they started with the religious bull crap and their ridiculously strict social stances on issues, and the more moderate people who may have been interested in their group no longer felt like that group represented them. I don't want any party pushing their social/religious views upon me.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Religion really didn't play a huge roll in politics until the Roe v Wade decision which lead to the advent of the Religious Right. At least that how I saw it in the 50's and 60's. Then came all these religious political organizations, the moral majority, the christian coalition, etc. They basically came together to fight Roe v Wade and abortion. The idea was to support the Republican Party so enough Supreme Court Justices who were against abortion could be appointed to the bench and overturn the original SCOTUS decision which legalized it.
    I'm not against any group wanting to have their views represented, however, I think that political parties who take hard social/religious platforms are really only hurting themselves.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Right. Replacing one purchased politician with another purchased politician isn't going to change anything.
    So this nation and voters are in the catch 22 situation. Dang if you do, danged if you don't.
    This Reform Party member is extremely happy to see according to Gallup that independents now make up 44% of the electorate as of 8 Jan 2017. The two major parties continue to shrink as one moves farther right, the other left. They leave more and more of middle America without a political home. They made up over 80% in the 1950's, down to 53% today.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not against any group wanting to have their views represented, however, I think that political parties who take hard social/religious platforms are really only hurting themselves.
    Perhaps, but that is part of the GOP base. A reliable voting group much like blacks are with the Democratic Party. The problem for Republicans is that they have been the smaller party ever since the beginnings of the Great depression. Sometimes by as much as 2-1. I am not defending the Republican Party for having them, but can the Republican Party cast a huge portion of their base aside and still be viable? Could the Democratic Party cast away the black vote and still be viable? Apples to oranges I know, but each makes up a sizable amount of each parties base. Its a catch 22 situation, dang if they do and dang if they don't. The Republicans can't attract the pure fiscal conservatives who dislike their stance on social issue and they can't afford to throw the social conservatives under the bus.
    This Reform Party member is extremely happy to see according to Gallup that independents now make up 44% of the electorate as of 8 Jan 2017. The two major parties continue to shrink as one moves farther right, the other left. They leave more and more of middle America without a political home. They made up over 80% in the 1950's, down to 53% today.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, but that is part of the GOP base. A reliable voting group much like blacks are with the Democratic Party. The problem for Republicans is that they have been the smaller party ever since the beginnings of the Great depression. Sometimes by as much as 2-1. I am not defending the Republican Party for having them, but can the Republican Party cast a huge portion of their base aside and still be viable? Could the Democratic Party cast away the black vote and still be viable? Apples to oranges I know, but each makes up a sizable amount of each parties base. Its a catch 22 situation, dang if they do and dang if they don't. The Republicans can't attract the pure fiscal conservatives who dislike their stance on social issue and they can't afford to throw the social conservatives under the bus.
    I suppose, but I still think they could attract more people to their party if they would stop with the "self righteous" bull crap. We all KNOW they aren't righteous anyways. Obviously some of them can't be taking these issues TOO seriously.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So this nation and voters are in the catch 22 situation. Dang if you do, danged if you don't.
    If we could only get people to ignore the ads and think for themselves, we could pull off a bloodless coup at the ballto box, but I suppose that is asking too much.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure just when I alleged that Bush wanted revenge. Perhaps you should link back to my post asserting such a thing.

    As for the second paragraph, yes that's right. He did rely on them, and they steered him and the country into an unholy mess,
    this despite their great experience.



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