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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    Who's the "we" you refer to?

    It sure as hell isn't the American people. We've not been in charge for a very long time.
    Oh, we still are, it's just that not enough people realize it.
    If they did, we'd fire most of the incumbents at the next election.
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    In his farewell speech to the nation IKE warned us of the military industrial complex. That right there is at least worth ten points in my book.

    The left is always screaming about how the GOP is not your grandfather's GOP and they are right. The Barry Goldwaters of the world have been replaced by the Dick Cheneys of the world and it's a damn shame.

    HOwever the Dem party of today is not the Dem party of your grandfather either. It has moved very far to the left as the JFKs in the party have been replaced by the Obamas and Pelosis.

    So I guess we're pretty much screwed as a nation.

    By the way, what was so bad about Ford?
    Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]-eisenhower-statements-jpg

    Eisenhower has always been the number one, the best president during my lifetime. There were times I wondered if I was if that just wasn't youth speaking. But the more I read about him, the more IKE was ingrained as the best. The there has been the releases from his presidential library lately that none of us knew about. All the stuff he accomplished behind the scenes with no fanfare.

    I agree too, the political parties of today are nothing like the one I knew in my younger days, JFK would be laughed out of the Democratic Party. Can you imagine him stating today, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Today most people in America expect they country to do for them while doing nothing for her in return. Can you imagine what the democrats would say about his tax cuts for the filthy rich. About him sending 16,000 troops/advisers to Vietnam and being a very hard cold warrior. He was not one to shy away from using the CIA and other covert organizations to accomplish what he wanted.

    To me both IKE and Goldwater reflect the Republican Party of old. IKE also used the covert agencies to keep track of what the Russians were doing and what they were capable. He also held down defense spending to the minimum, to him national defense was the priority, not the toy makers or what he called the military industrial complex. Goldwater told LBJ to either win that damn war or bring the boys home, now! He firmly believed in keeping government out of social issues like abortion, leave it to the woman and as far as gay rights, he is quoted as saying, "You do not have to be straight to shoot straight." A reference to gays in the military, gay marriage wasn't even an idea born yet.

    Both were fiscal conservatives, IKE even has a surplus in two of his eight years which brought down the national debt. We had FDR, Truman, IKE, JFK in succession, how lucky of a nation we were. Now we get Obama and Bush the second, what a comedown. Two at best below average presidents if not very poor presidents.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, we still are, it's just that not enough people realize it.
    If they did, we'd fire most of the incumbents at the next election.
    I get you point, but I have come to the conclusion a long time ago it does no good to replace a Republican with a Democrat or a Democrat with a Republican. You still end up with business as usual elected officials. The Rhetoric is polar opposite, but the governing is the same. Both owe their moneyed people, the corporations, Wall Street, the lobbyists, special interest groups for their elections and neither party is willing to buck them. If they did, all those millions, tens of millions of campaign dollars would just flow into the other parties coffers.

    This is what most people do not realize. I do not think it makes a bit of difference if we replace an R with a D or a D with an R. what is that old saying, the more things change, the more things stay the same.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    In my lifetime, I have to choose from Carter, Reagan (I was just a baby/child then), Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama. I guess I would have to choose Reagan out of all of them. Seems to me, from everything I know, he seems to have accomplished the most and didn't seem to be as polarizing as some of the others.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]-eisenhower-statements-jpg

    Eisenhower has always been the number one, the best president during my lifetime. There were times I wondered if I was if that just wasn't youth speaking. But the more I read about him, the more IKE was ingrained as the best. The there has been the releases from his presidential library lately that none of us knew about. All the stuff he accomplished behind the scenes with no fanfare.


    I agree too, the political parties of today are nothing like the one I knew in my younger days, JFK would be laughed out of the Democratic Party. Can you imagine him stating today, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Today most people in America expect they country to do for them while doing nothing for her in return. Can you imagine what the democrats would say about his tax cuts for the filthy rich. About him sending 16,000 troops/advisers to Vietnam and being a very hard cold warrior. He was not one to shy away from using the CIA and other covert organizations to accomplish what he wanted.

    To me both IKE and Goldwater reflect the Republican Party of old. IKE also used the covert agencies to keep track of what the Russians were doing and what they were capable. He also held down defense spending to the minimum, to him national defense was the priority, not the toy makers or what he called the military industrial complex. Goldwater told LBJ to either win that damn war or bring the boys home, now! He firmly believed in keeping government out of social issues like abortion, leave it to the woman and as far as gay rights, he is quoted as saying, "You do not have to be straight to shoot straight." A reference to gays in the military, gay marriage wasn't even an idea born yet.

    Both were fiscal conservatives, IKE even has a surplus in two of his eight years which brought down the national debt. We had FDR, Truman, IKE, JFK in succession, how lucky of a nation we were. Now we get Obama and Bush the second, what a comedown. Two at best below average presidents if not very poor presidents.

    I think IKE was a decent man and his eyewitness experience in WW2 brought his humanity and deceny to the forefront of everything he did as president. He had seen the reality of war with his own eyes and wanted to warn the rest of us what it was really all about.

    As for today's parties, there are far too many black and white reactionaries on both sides. What the world, not just the united states needs so desperately now is a little humility and common sense but I'm not holding my breath the way things seem to be going.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    In my lifetime, I have to choose from Carter, Reagan (I was just a baby/child then), Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama. I guess I would have to choose Reagan out of all of them. Seems to me, from everything I know, he seems to have accomplished the most and didn't seem to be as polarizing as some of the others.
    Ronnie was as polarizing as they come. He introduced the religious right to mainstream politics when he invited the moral majority into governance. Arguably, he was the catalyst that created the divisions we now see today. My opinion only. He did some good things too. GWB is in the top-3 as it relates to bad presidents . . . again, just my opinion.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Ronnie was as polarizing as they come. He introduced the religious right to mainstream politics when he invited the moral majority into governance. Arguably, he was the catalyst that created the divisions we now see today. My opinion only. He did some good things too. GWB is in the top-3 as it relates to bad presidents . . . again, just my opinion.
    Sorry, but the "religious right" as much as you might oppose their views, have every right to political representation as anyone else does, though our laws should remain secular.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiavoTheMiavo View Post
    Ronnie was as polarizing as they come. He introduced the religious right to mainstream politics when he invited the moral majority into governance. Arguably, he was the catalyst that created the divisions we now see today. My opinion only. He did some good things too. GWB is in the top-3 as it relates to bad presidents . . . again, just my opinion.
    and the other 2 would be?

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by DB20 View Post
    I think IKE was a decent man and his eyewitness experience in WW2 brought his humanity and deceny to the forefront of everything he did as president. He had seen the reality of war with his own eyes and wanted to warn the rest of us what it was really all about.

    As for today's parties, there are far too many black and white reactionaries on both sides. What the world, not just the united states needs so desperately now is a little humility and common sense but I'm not holding my breath the way things seem to be going.
    I agree, but I think mankind as a whole is beyond that point. They call all of mankind humanity. That is indeed strange since we as human do not show other human much humanity at all.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Sorry, but the "religious right" as much as you might oppose their views, have every right to political representation as anyone else does, though our laws should remain secular.
    Yes, they do, but unfortunately it has led to the "Bat Shirt Crazy Division" of the once Grand Ole Party. What a shame since the Left side of the aisle is full of weak sticks with no conviction . . . both sides saddled to big money and big money interests.

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