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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How do you win a war with no defined enemy? We cannot possibly kill and capture ALL the terrorists. There are new ones born every day. In fact, I wonder if our actions might perhaps create even MORE terrorists?
    We needn't kill or capture all terrorists, we need only to kill enough to discourage the movement. Terrorism was under greater control a few years ago then it is now and that's largely because of retreats from both Iraq and Afghanistan. And of course releasing terrorists in this latest deal will certainly give them greater confidence.

    We are acting out of fear, seeming to hope that being nice to them will encourage terrorists to be nice to us. And while we debate over whose fault all of this Islamism continues to grow. We are 1938 Europeans,willfully ignoring the message being sent to us.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We needn't kill or capture all terrorists, we need only to kill enough to discourage the movement. Terrorism was under greater control a few years ago then it is now and that's largely because of retreats from both Iraq and Afghanistan. And of course releasing terrorists in this latest deal will certainly give them greater confidence.

    We are acting out of fear, seeming to hope that being nice to them will encourage terrorists to be nice to us. And while we debate over whose fault all of this Islamism continues to grow. We are 1938 Europeans,willfully ignoring the message being sent to us.
    I think our problem is we are too coddled as a society. The culture terrorists come from only understand authoritarianism, and death as a punishment for not falling in line. Our actions do little to detour them, and primarily embolden them. We need to either step up our wartime actions to killing rather than capturing the enemy, or walk away and let them fight each other.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I think our problem is we are too coddled as a society. The culture terrorists come from only understand authoritarianism, and death as a punishment for not falling in line. Our actions do little to detour them, and primarily embolden them. We need to either step up our wartime actions to killing rather than capturing the enemy, or walk away and let them fight each other.
    That's a plan but if we walk away from them how can we be assured they will walk away from us?

    What should be of concern is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons and they are gradually being taken over by Islamists. And soon they will have MidEast oil to bankroll the Islamists everywhere. I doubt they want to ignore America.

    It would be prudent to open all energy sources, including coal, gas exploration, and nuclear energy. The time has come to get serious about energy and to only experiment with alternate sources of energy a sideline. Now we need proven systems to keep the economies independent. .

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We needn't kill or capture all terrorists, we need only to kill enough to discourage the movement. Terrorism was under greater control a few years ago then it is now and that's largely because of retreats from both Iraq and Afghanistan. And of course releasing terrorists in this latest deal will certainly give them greater confidence.

    We are acting out of fear, seeming to hope that being nice to them will encourage terrorists to be nice to us. And while we debate over whose fault all of this Islamism continues to grow. We are 1938 Europeans,willfully ignoring the message being sent to us.
    There are terrorists all over the world though. I don't see this being a realistic goal.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Our actions do create more terrorists when we inflict collateral damage to innocent lives with cruise missiles and drones, rather than using bullets against a seen enemy. Both Clinton and Obama seem to be doing their best to create terrorists.
    True, but it's not like the terrorists don't purposely hide behind and use innocent civilians.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Apparently they were for all this if the The President, Congress, the Senate and the people favored it and people should understand the cost. In fact it was a very well run war with a casualty rate that was far below any other war that had been going on for this number of years.
    As I said, they favored it as long as they didn't have to do anything for it.
    I can't help but wonder just how many were conflating the invasion of Iraq and the attack on the WTC, and whether that totally unrelated war would have been so acceptable had the attack of 9/11 not taken place.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Their real crime was re-electing Obama. There is no excuse for this.
    There you go. Bring up a totally unrelated issue.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I can think of something that happened in 2001 that was more than "a small crisis". It also had a GREAT deal to do with the economic downturn.
    It also resulted in W's Patriot Act, which gave license to violate the privacy of regular, innocent Americans.

    W was incapable of articulate off-script speech - very embarrassing for a leader in his position.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    There are terrorists all over the world though. I don't see this being a realistic goal.
    Yes, there are but, as many keep explaining, not all Muslims are terrorists. We would need to work with the democracies and, more importantly, those Muslims who are also fighting terrorism, who do not want Sharia Law imposed on them. But after we abandoned both Iraq and Afghanistan and left them to their own meager devices, can any Muslim leader really trust us anymore? And despite the reluctance of Americans to get involved the world still needs American leadership. We have to demonstrate that we are serious about this 'War On Terrorism" but so far we have not done that.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    There you go. Bring up a totally unrelated issue.
    It is absolutely related and will rank as the lowest point in American electorate history. Had the people elected a stronger and more experienced President many of these threads wouldn't even exist.

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