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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Absolutely not. Sparking the War on Terror by invading a nation because it was believed they possessed nuclear weapons when they did not is hardly the action of someone who deserves a positive rating. Innocent lives died on both sides because of Bush was bought and paid for by the military industrial complex.

    Of course, there are more reasons than the Iraq War, although that is the largest perpetrator of his classification as an unsatisfactory president. Destroying our public education system by implementing No Child Left Behind, which is farther away from the policies of the most successful nations in education, opposing equal rights for gays, giving tax cuts to the rich while increasing military spending, launching our country further into deficit, and cut funding to stem cell research, are other notable travesties.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439]

    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Was George W Bush a good president?
    I like the guy, but "like" doesn't equal good president.

    - Trying to nationbuild was ambitious and high minded, but pointless. 8 years is simply not enough, and he should know his fellow politicians well enough to know that later presidents would have their own agendas and dump the project.
    Maybe it's because he is Christian he found the alternatives impossible, but occasionally you just have to let hings go. You cannot take responsibility for all of mankind. Sometimes you have to settle for just defending yourself, rather than trying to reform your opponent.

    - Guantanamo Bay. A bunch of legalese gobbledegook. He should have known better. Codifying the use of light torture to obtain information is unacceptable. Executing a bunh of worthless terrorists for being out of uniform would have been more acceptabe and more effective too. Certainly in the long run, and possibly in the short term too.

    - The economy. Not exactly something a single individual can control, but he knew the housing market was out of control, and maybe he would have had more political capital to do something about it, if he hadn't been busy nationbuilding.

    So I would not regard him as a good president.
    But still better than Clinton and Obama. They are "Do Nothing Presidents".
    A DNP is someone who sweeps every substantial problem under the rug for their successors to deal with. Stuff like like pulling out of Somalia and ignoring the Rwandan genocide because actions taken to correct the problem might get your hands dirty.
    Their only objective is getting reelected, which is usually accomplished by creating a major prestige project that touches the hearts and minds of the less informed voters and cannot fail if you throw enough cash at it. At least not until someone else has to puick up the bill, after the DNP is out of office. If all leaders were like that, their countries would collapse inside a generation. They would not under a succession of Bush type presidents.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Iraq was a relatively peaceful country until March 19,2003 when all HELL broke out. The dumber ****ers thought they would wavethe white flag because of this. Dumb ****ers, Dumb ****ers Dumb ****ers, Dumb ****ers

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439]

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    I like the guy, but "like" doesn't equal good president.

    - Trying to nationbuild was ambitious and high minded, but pointless. 8 years is simply not enough, and he should know his fellow politicians well enough to know that later presidents would have their own agendas and dump the project.
    Maybe it's because he is Christian he found the alternatives impossible, but occasionally you just have to let hings go. You cannot take responsibility for all of mankind. Sometimes you have to settle for just defending yourself, rather than trying to reform your opponent.

    - Guantanamo Bay. A bunch of legalese gobbledegook. He should have known better. Codifying the use of light torture to obtain information is unacceptable. Executing a bunh of worthless terrorists for being out of uniform would have been more acceptabe and more effective too. Certainly in the long run, and possibly in the short term too.

    - The economy. Not exactly something a single individual can control, but he knew the housing market was out of control, and maybe he would have had more political capital to do something about it, if he hadn't been busy nationbuilding.

    So I would not regard him as a good president.
    But still better than Clinton and Obama. They are "Do Nothing Presidents".
    A DNP is someone who sweeps every substantial problem under the rug for their successors to deal with. Stuff like like pulling out of Somalia and ignoring the Rwandan genocide because actions taken to correct the problem might get your hands dirty.
    Their only objective is getting reelected, which is usually accomplished by creating a major prestige project that touches the hearts and minds of the less informed voters and cannot fail if you throw enough cash at it. At least not until someone else has to puick up the bill, after the DNP is out of office. If all leaders were like that, their countries would collapse inside a generation. They would not under a succession of Bush type presidents.
    Excellent post, and I share your beliefs pretty much down the line. He was somewhat of a disappointment to me as President.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There will be many more of these mass graves and, again, the world just watches.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hitchens was a brilliant man. One of my idols (see sig quote). And he's right about what he says. He was just wrong about the war.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Hitchens was a brilliant man. One of my idols (see sig quote). And he's right about what he says. He was just wrong about the war.
    No, he was right about the war, as were many others. He was just wrong about post "Shock and Awe", as was George Bush, Barrack Obama and many others. Either get out immediately following the capture and trial of Saddam Hussein or have a long term commitment to the people of Iraq. Having these things decided politically is a weakness and only leads to long term problems.

    Obama is more interested in his golf game, fund raising, and Rose Garden photo ops than actually making any difficult decisions regarding long-term benefits to America.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What happened to your allegation Bush (43) wanted revenge?

    Consider the knowledge and briefings all three of them had and were in before Bush was president. All three of them already had vast defense experience for the federal government, and bush (43) had only state level experience. He relied on them.
    I'm not sure just when I alleged that Bush wanted revenge. Perhaps you should link back to my post asserting such a thing.

    As for the second paragraph, yes that's right. He did rely on them, and they steered him and the country into an unholy mess, this despite their great experience.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not sure just when I alleged that Bush wanted revenge. Perhaps you should link back to my post asserting such a thing.

    As for the second paragraph, yes that's right. He did rely on them, and they steered him and the country into an unholy mess, this despite their great experience.
    It really wasn't an "Unholy mess" at one time, when the people proudly voted, and at great risk. It became that way only because America wanted to democratize Iraq but then didn't follow through, giving up far too early.

    It would have been better to have just left after Saddam was executed rather than following a program which had no long term commitment. Now it's a disaster, with Barrack Obama perhaps still believing still that "The war in Iraq is over".

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It really wasn't an "Unholy mess" at one time, when the people proudly voted, and at great risk. It became that way only because America wanted to democratize Iraq but then didn't follow through, giving up far too early.

    It would have been better to have just left after Saddam was executed rather than following a program which had no long term commitment. Now it's a disaster, with Barrack Obama perhaps still believing still that "The war in Iraq is over".
    Perhaps so. I knew the war wasn't over when we started following the troop withdrawal agreement made back in '07, or was it '08? Maybe the new administration knew it wasn't over, and maybe not. McCain was right when he said we might have to keep troops in Iraq for the next hundred years. The problem is, the electorate was not willing to pay the price in blood and dollars to stay there that long. The architects of the war should have known that we wouldn't be willing to fight for that long, but they were determined to invade Iraq anyway.
    "Those were lies, pure and simple."

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