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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I'm not familiar with that letter, but assume you are correct. It still doesn't change the facts.

    That video show democrats in 1998 and 2002. Recorded words of theirs. They did not need to be convinced after 911, they already believed in the WMD.
    and they were wrong, just like the Republicans who believed the same thing. Therefore, some of the Democrats were fooled just like Bush and most of the Republicans.

    Which was my point all along.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and they were wrong, just like the Republicans who believed the same thing. Therefore, some of the Democrats were fooled just like Bush and most of the Republicans.

    Which was my point all along.
    Fooled by the Clinton administration.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Fooled by the Clinton administration.
    that decided not to invade Iraq. Sure.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    that decided not to invade Iraq. Sure.
    Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't). While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't). While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.
    I think the PNAC would have found a way to have their war on Iraq eventually anyway, but maybe not. Perhaps there would have been a different venue for the next war instead.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think the PNAC would have found a way to have their war on Iraq eventually anyway, but maybe not. Perhaps there would have been a different venue for the next war instead.
    They couldn't have made a difference with any leadership actions. They don't get the same intelligence the president gets. Using them as an excuse is laughable.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    They couldn't have made a difference with any leadership actions. They don't get the same intelligence the president gets. Using them as an excuse is laughable.
    That sounds a lot like the line of bull we were fed during the Vietnam debacle: If only you were privy to the intelligence that the president has, you'd be all for the war. Bulocks. Anyway, it wasn't Bush who was pushing for the war in Iraq. It was Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. They were the prime movers in the decision to invade Iraq.
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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Anyway, it wasn't Bush who was pushing for the war in Iraq. It was Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. They were the prime movers in the decision to invade Iraq.
    What happened to your allegation Bush (43) wanted revenge?

    Consider the knowledge and briefings all three of them had and were in before Bush was president. All three of them already had vast defense experience for the federal government, and bush (43) had only state level experience. He relied on them.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    The fact Saddam interfered with inspections indicated he was hiding it.
    Did it? Not much to go on when you consider, first, that he would want people (like the Iranians) to think he had WMD, and secondly, that he would look weak internally if he allowed the UN to "push him around."

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't).
    Saddam was not in charge of US foreign policy. Is it a good idea to allow people like him to control yer actions?

    >>While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.

    A thorn in the side can be preferable to some other alternatives. A terrible price has been and is being paid to remove that thorn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    All three of them already had vast defense experience for the federal government, and bush (43) had only state level experience. He relied on them.
    That's where Bush's culpability lies. He allowed those creeps to dominate the process. Anyone who would trust people like Chaingang and Dumbsfeld to that extent is asking for trouble — and we got a big pile of it.

    I lost track of another comment I wanted to respond to, but the point I wanted to make is that chemical weapons, which is what Iraq had, in large part because, as someone else noted, we gave them to him to strengthen his position against Iran, have an effective shelf-life.

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    Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Did it? Not much to go on when you consider, first, that he would want people (like the Iranians) to think he had WMD, and secondly, that he would look weak internally if he allowed the UN to "push him around."
    You can make all the excuses you want for your beloved leader. The facts are as they are. He was effectively on parole, and he violated his terms for us not to go into Baghdad during the first gulf war.

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