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Was George W Bush a good president?[W:439:621]

Was George W Bush a good president?


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Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

It's a good find, and she does state that sanctions "are working" and that Iraq is not developing WMD. However, this was a public interview. The government does not reveal what it REALLY knows on television during an interview. Why on earth would anyone think she would put Americans in a state of panic like that? They wouldn't.

We never really know what the government knows. They share with us what THEY want us to know and that is all.
Well, none of it said he wasn't developing it...

Anyway, looking for more material, I found this of interest:

 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Well, none of it said he wasn't developing it...

Anyway, looking for more material, I found this of interest:



Wow! That is crazy! They thought the president might have poisoned? Fascinating! I knew they were a bit dysfunctional, but never to that extent.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Wow! That is crazy! They thought the president might have poisoned? Fascinating! I knew they were a bit dysfunctional, but never to that extent.
Paranoia is normal. Presidents do get assassinated.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

I don't know. That was kind of weird. :lol:
LOL...

I didn't think too much of security doing their job.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

I'm not familiar with that letter, but assume you are correct. It still doesn't change the facts.

That video show democrats in 1998 and 2002. Recorded words of theirs. They did not need to be convinced after 911, they already believed in the WMD.

and they were wrong, just like the Republicans who believed the same thing. Therefore, some of the Democrats were fooled just like Bush and most of the Republicans.

Which was my point all along.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

and they were wrong, just like the Republicans who believed the same thing. Therefore, some of the Democrats were fooled just like Bush and most of the Republicans.

Which was my point all along.

Fooled by the Clinton administration.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

that decided not to invade Iraq. Sure.

Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't). While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't). While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.

I think the PNAC would have found a way to have their war on Iraq eventually anyway, but maybe not. Perhaps there would have been a different venue for the next war instead.
 
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I think the PNAC would have found a way to have their war on Iraq eventually anyway, but maybe not. Perhaps there would have been a different venue for the next war instead.

They couldn't have made a difference with any leadership actions. They don't get the same intelligence the president gets. Using them as an excuse is laughable.
 
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They couldn't have made a difference with any leadership actions. They don't get the same intelligence the president gets. Using them as an excuse is laughable.

That sounds a lot like the line of bull we were fed during the Vietnam debacle: If only you were privy to the intelligence that the president has, you'd be all for the war. Bulocks. Anyway, it wasn't Bush who was pushing for the war in Iraq. It was Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. They were the prime movers in the decision to invade Iraq.
 
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Anyway, it wasn't Bush who was pushing for the war in Iraq. It was Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz. They were the prime movers in the decision to invade Iraq.

What happened to your allegation Bush (43) wanted revenge?

Consider the knowledge and briefings all three of them had and were in before Bush was president. All three of them already had vast defense experience for the federal government, and bush (43) had only state level experience. He relied on them.
 
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The fact Saddam interfered with inspections indicated he was hiding it.

Did it? Not much to go on when you consider, first, that he would want people (like the Iranians) to think he had WMD, and secondly, that he would look weak internally if he allowed the UN to "push him around."

Oh it's so frustrating. If Saddam Hussein had just LET the inspectors do their jobs, then we would have NEVER gone over there. So in the end, it's HE is to blame for trying to make everyone think he was hiding something (if he actually wasn't).

Saddam was not in charge of US foreign policy. Is it a good idea to allow people like him to control yer actions?

>>While I think the war was not the best idea, I can understand how it happened, and if Saddam wasn't such a thorn in the side of the WORLD, then maybe this would have never happened.

A thorn in the side can be preferable to some other alternatives. A terrible price has been and is being paid to remove that thorn.

All three of them already had vast defense experience for the federal government, and bush (43) had only state level experience. He relied on them.

That's where Bush's culpability lies. He allowed those creeps to dominate the process. Anyone who would trust people like Chaingang and Dumbsfeld to that extent is asking for trouble — and we got a big pile of it.

I lost track of another comment I wanted to respond to, but the point I wanted to make is that chemical weapons, which is what Iraq had, in large part because, as someone else noted, we gave them to him to strengthen his position against Iran, have an effective shelf-life.
 
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Did it? Not much to go on when you consider, first, that he would want people (like the Iranians) to think he had WMD, and secondly, that he would look weak internally if he allowed the UN to "push him around."
You can make all the excuses you want for your beloved leader. The facts are as they are. He was effectively on parole, and he violated his terms for us not to go into Baghdad during the first gulf war.
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Yet you agreed with Obama helping the French get rig of Gaddafi.

Yes, One, invading a nation on false premises costing trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives is equal to the other *shaking head*
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Apparently, our government received intelligence that Saddam had gotten a hold of WMD. Now, how true this is certainly controversial. However, IF it is true, then he was totally right to go in there. Saddam was warned numerous, numerous times that if he didn't let the UN inspectors do their job THOROUGHLY (especially given HIS own threats about such weapons along with threats to USE them), then we were going to go over there, and so we did.


United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concerning the U.S. intelligence community's assessments of Iraq during the time leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The report, which was released on July 9, 2004, identified numerous failures in the intelligence-gathering and -analysis process. The report found that these failures led to the creation of inaccurate materials that misled both government policy makers and the American public.

The Committee's Republican majority and Democratic minority agreed on the report's major conclusions and unanimously endorsed its findings.

Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

When will liberals stop repeating that misinformation?

The Mission Complete banner was because that ships mission was complete. It was sailing back to it's home port.

How can you expect to be credible if you can't get simple facts strait?


MORE RIGHT WING 'HISTORY' *shaking head*

The 2003 Mission Accomplished speech gets its name from a banner that read "Mission Accomplished" displayed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln during a televised address by United States President George W. Bush on May 1, 2003 and the controversy that followed.

Bush stated at the time that this was the end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush's assertion—and the sign itself—became controversial after guerrilla warfare in Iraq increased during the Iraqi insurgency. The vast majority of casualties, both military and civilian, occurred after the speech

Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."


SURE

The White House claimed that the banner was requested by the crew of the ship, who did not have the facilities for producing such a banner. Afterward, the administration and naval sources stated that the banner was the Navy's idea, White House staff members made the banner, and it was hung by the U.S. Navy personnel. White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN, "We took care of the production of it. We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up." According to John Dickerson of Time magazine, the White House later conceded that they hung the banner but still insists it had been done at the request of the crew members


LOL

Mission Accomplished speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

It's a little disturbing that they would be trying to encourage banks to lower their standards again though. Simply stated, everyone cannot afford a home with the prices they are at.

Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Why did you leave out the fact that banks were giving mortgages to people that they knew would not be able to pay them. Maybe not illegal, but a lot of times banks and financial institutions were making some shady deals, and that played a role I think.

And what do you think of this. This article is a year old, but still.



Obama administration pushes banks to make home loans to people with weaker credit - The Washington Post
DUBYA FOUGHT ALL 50 STATE AG'S IN 2003, INVOKING A CIVIL WAR ERA RULE SAYING FEDS RULE ON "PREDATORY" LENDERS!

Dubya was warned by the FBI of an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud in 2004. He gave them less resources. Later in 2004 Dubya allowed the leverage rules to go from 12-1 to 33-1 which flooded the market with cheap money

IS THAT WHAT OBAMA DID OR IS DOING?
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

They didn't really give to people they knew would not pay it back. They gave loans to risky people. However, it is my belief that tighter lending standards would not have prevented the property bubble and the financial crisis. Subprime mortgages was not the main problem. http://phoenixsourcedistributors.co...ime-mortgages-only-small-part-of-problem1.jpg

The main cause was similar to other property bubbles. People invest because they expect prices to go up. Once prices no longer go up, they will try to sell as fast as possible to avoid losing money. Everyone trying to sell at the same moment will further decrease prices.

Many people are unable to pay back their loans because their assets are worth too little. Banks will have to pay the rest. Once the bank start to struggle, then you have an financial crisis.



I think it will have little effect, and is not the way to achieve economic recovery. He needs to focus on jobs instead.

I am not too worried about a new financial crisis right now. They generally come when people have forgotten about the last one.


It was a CREDIT bubble, one where Bush was main cheerleader for the Banksters. US household debt doubled 2001-end of 2008.

World wide housing prices doubled 2000-2005

Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Given the challenges of his early months in office, I would say yes.

Challenges? Oh right where he ignored the 40+ CIA/PDB's that mentioned Al Queda attacking US
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

No, not good at all. However, he was a scapegoat for many things that simpletons credit him with. For instance, only the dimmest mouth-breathers can blame him for the subprime crisis.

I don't like him for excessive Iraq intervention, the creation of No Child Left Behind (fortunately it was so under-funded that it may as well have never existed) and the introduction of "too big to fail" in our vocabularies.



Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

2004 Republican Convention:

Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
...

Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."


DUBYA FOUGHT ALL 50 STATE AG'S IN 2003, INVOKING A CIVIL WAR ERA RULE SAYING FEDS RULE ON "PREDATORY" LENDERS!

Dubya was warned by the FBI of an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud in 2004. He gave them less resources. Later in 2004 Dubya allowed the leverage rules to go from 12-1 to 33-1 which flooded the market with cheap money


Bush drive for home ownership fueled housing bubble

He insisted that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac meet ambitious new goals for low-income lending.

Concerned that down payments were a barrier, Bush persuaded Congress to spend as much as $200 million a year to help first-time buyers with down payments and closing costs.

And he pushed to allow first-time buyers to qualify for government insured mortgages with no money down


The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets OCT 2008
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

Thank you. Now every major issue that's happened in the last 6 years, I'll just say "Thanks, Obama!", since you've given it merit.

Anyone who buys a house they cannot afford with a down payment that hardly exists from a bank that has no business providing a loan - and blames the president - doesn't deserve to have a thing. Stupidity should never go unrewarded.

It's a damn shame about all the nutball shooters lately, isn't it? THANKS OBAMA!



Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

Predatory lending was widely understood to present a looming national crisis.

What did the Bush administration do in response? Did it reverse course and decide to take action to halt this burgeoning scourge?

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative



Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets OCT 2008
 
Re: Was George W Bush a good president?

It's always nice when a person posts a link with their chart. We aren't getting the whole story with just a chart.

Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


HOW ABOUT HOUSEHOLD DEBT DOUBLING UNDER BUSH? OR

Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse

DUBYA FOUGHT ALL 50 STATE AG'S IN 2003, INVOKING A CIVIL WAR ERA RULE SAYING FEDS RULE ON "PREDATORY" LENDERS!

Dubya was warned by the FBI of an "epidemic" of mortgage fraud in 2004. He gave them less resources. Later in 2004 Dubya allowed the leverage rules to go from 12-1 to 33-1 which flooded the market with cheap money!
 
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