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Thread: We are a nation of laws!

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    We are a nation of laws!

    We are a nation of laws!

    Are we really?

    Seems to me that we have tried to circumvent the purpose and intent of laws since virtually the day after the country was founded. That pesky 10th Amendment being one example. More current examples being the many ways we do an end run around due process via civil asset forfeiture laws and the such.

    Are we really a nation of law abiders, or does the rhetoric just make us feel better?
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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are we really a nation of law abiders, or does the rhetoric just make us feel better?
    We live in anarchy, clearly.





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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Just another platitude, man.

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We are a nation of laws!

    Are we really?

    Seems to me that we have tried to circumvent the purpose and intent of laws since virtually the day after the country was founded. That pesky 10th Amendment being one example. More current examples being the many ways we do an end run around due process via civil asset forfeiture laws and the such.

    Are we really a nation of law abiders, or does the rhetoric just make us feel better?
    One of the things community is about is agreeing on the rules and getting people the adhere to the regulatiins.

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We are a nation of laws!

    Are we really?

    Seems to me that we have tried to circumvent the purpose and intent of laws since virtually the day after the country was founded. That pesky 10th Amendment being one example. More current examples being the many ways we do an end run around due process via civil asset forfeiture laws and the such.

    Are we really a nation of law abiders, or does the rhetoric just make us feel better?
    You've asked two distinctly different questions, that have two distinctively different answers.

    Are we a nation of laws? Yes.

    Are we a nation of law abiders? Obviously not, just look at DC.

    And, I don't understand your reference to the Tenth Amendment. I feel that one is extremely clear, although the Federal government differs in it's reading of it.

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We are a nation of laws!

    Are we really?

    Seems to me that we have tried to circumvent the purpose and intent of laws since virtually the day after the country was founded. That pesky 10th Amendment being one example. More current examples being the many ways we do an end run around due process via civil asset forfeiture laws and the such.

    Are we really a nation of law abiders, or does the rhetoric just make us feel better?

    Correct, The USA is a nation of laws.

    And Lawbreakers. As of year-end 2011 2, 266, 800 people were locked up in the USA.

    just under 1/4 of the worlds prisoners are held in American prisons.

    Does anyone on this forum think that is a statistic that the USA can be proud of?

    BTW: I don't.

    The USA condemns other countries for locking people up, so how can it be proud of doing it so massive a scale?

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    And law breakers.

    Do a little research and see how many people are locked up in the USA.

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And law breakers.

    Do a little research and see how many people are locked up in the USA.
    Why should we when you keep posting them ad nauseum?
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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    You've asked two distinctly different questions, that have two distinctively different answers.

    Are we a nation of laws? Yes.

    Are we a nation of law abiders? Obviously not, just look at DC.

    And, I don't understand your reference to the Tenth Amendment. I feel that one is extremely clear, although the Federal government differs in it's reading of it.
    Not really two different questions. Every nation has laws of some kind, so at face value every nation is a "nation of laws". The meaning behind the statement is the question here, not the face value of the phrase. When people say "we are a nation of laws" the implication is about the people and enforcement of the laws that are on the books, as if we exceptional and enforce our laws better and more honestly than every other nation.

    The 10th Amendment reference regards the fact that it is virtually ignored today, and pretty much has been ignored since the beginning. Some of the deviation to the Commerce Clause is legit, much of said deviation is not. In other words, not even our political leaders and our courts follow the law as intended when/if it doesn't suit their purposes.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: We are a nation of laws!

    We should be a nation of laws, but we aren't.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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