Do you assume ppl are racist if they want to make it hard for others races to vote?

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Ad_Captandum said:

So, all of this is indeed to say that you don't believe Wikipedia. Correct?

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I don't use or recognize Wikipedia being a credible or reliable source.

I've used Wikipedia in the past but I always check the sources that were used and I go to the "Talk Page" to see who wrote the articles and what is being said by those who either wrote the articles or are editing them.

If you're going to use Wikipedia as a source, it's a good chance you could be misinformed and remember, that's how Obama got elected because of an uninformed or misinformed electorate.

Zogby Poll:

Of Obama voters, 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!

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jamesrage said:

Maybe I should start a poll asking "Are people against voter ID racist to assume that minorities are too stupid to get a government issued ID card/license".

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The truth is in at least one state data showed a significant number of minority voters took advantage of early voting on Sunday afternoon after church. Many predominantly black churches provided transportation to the polls using church vans. Its likely some of their members had limited access to transportation and even were able to go to church thanks to their church's transportation services ministry. In order to "save money :roll:" the state cancelled early voting on Sunday afternoon. This had nothing to do with a lack of ID, being unable to afford it or being too stupid. It was about convenience, a lack of access to transportation and possible being a shut-in and/or physically disabled American. These concerns were brought to the attention of the leaders of the state prior to the election and it fell on deaf ears. On Election Day it backfired in their faces.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/us/politics/ryan-sees-urban-vote-as-reason-gop-lost.html?_r=0

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No, I don't assume that unless the reasons they suggest are clearly racist in my head.

As it comes to Peurto Rico...

That's not "racist". Ignorant, bigoted, sure you could make those claims. But the argumnet you've presented that is being made about Peurto Rico isn't based on their race or ethnicity, but based on the believed voting habits of the country. The motivation MIGHT be racist in nature, but I would not ASSUME that it is simply based on what you've provided.

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Zyphlin said:

No, I don't assume that unless the reasons they suggest are clearly racist in my head.

As it comes to Peurto Rico...

That's not "racist". Ignorant, bigoted, sure you could make those claims. But the argumnet you've presented that is being made about Peurto Rico isn't based on their race or ethnicity, but based on the believed voting habits of the country. The motivation MIGHT be racist in nature, but I would not ASSUME that it is simply based on what you've provided.

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Good insight but that said, perception is reality and in the minds of a lot of minorities whose history involves cruel and inhumane efforts to deny their parents and grandparents access to voting because of race or how their race votes, its a perception that to them is reality. In 2012 it motivated them to camp out in tents to be the first to vote at the opening of the early voting polls and stand in line to almost midnight to cast their votes on election day. The minority turnout in 2012 was huge and it was Republicans that motivated them to get to the polls.

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Smeagol said:

The truth is in at least one state data showed a significant number of minority voters took advantage of early voting on Sunday afternoon after church. Many predominantly black churches provided transportation to the polls using church vans. Its likely some of their members had limited access to transportation and even were able to go to church thanks to their church's transportation services ministry. In order to "save money :roll:" the state cancelled early voting on Sunday afternoon. This had nothing to do with a lack of ID, being unable to afford it or being too stupid. It was about convenience, a lack of access to transportation and possible being a shut-in and/or physically disabled American. These concerns were brought to the attention of the leaders of the state prior to the election and it fell on deaf ears.

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1.There is nothing wrong with voting on the day of the election.
2.On the day of the election there are hundreds of polling places/stations open all over the city at most within 2-4 blocks depending on population size and density. If you live in a city then you can you to your county election board website and see all the polling place locations listed.

On Election Day it backfired in their faces.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/us/politics/ryan-sees-urban-vote-as-reason-gop-lost.html?_r=0

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So obviously having people vote on election day and requiring that government issued IDs be presented did not stop people from voting.

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Black people tend to talk in movie theaters and black people don't pay their cell phone bills. These are two subjects we watched at a comedy club performance we went to this weekend. The difference with this if it were said during a serious discussion on a Sunday talk show we would hear about it on the nightly news. So is it not one, the context and two the premise that in part define what is racist intent? If you read the words in a news article uttered during the show and there was no reference to them coming from a comedy show it would be intolerable.

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Voter suppression is nothing more than FOLKLORE from the likes of the Democratic Slave Plantation and the MSNBC HATE MACHINE.

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I assume people who start threads about race are racist...to at least some extent.

As far as I am concerned, there is only one race...the human race.

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DA60 said:

I assume people who start threads about race are racist...to at least some extent.

As far as I am concerned, there is only one race...the human race.

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He never started a discussion board thread on race relations but with the technology available to him in his day Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr. brought his concerns of racial injustice to the spotlight and spoke of race relations way more than anyone I've seen discuss it online. Was Martin Luther King a racist for taking a leadership role in the Civil Rights Movement?

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Ok try out this hypothetical comparison...

An individual is heavily invested in beef in every way as it pertains to a specific area, but not invested at all in chicken.
The individual hears that African Americans eat more chicken and less beef than White Americans.
The individual also owns a huge portion of the housing in this area.

The individual decides to refuse housing to African Americans in favor of moving in more beef buying White Americans.
The individual really does not give a crap about skin color at all. It is purely a business decision, a way to make more profit.

The net result is that he makes more money and the decision pays off.
The net result is also that he discriminated against a race.
The race is hurt either way, regardless of his reasons.
This makes him a racist.

When Republicans remove voting polls and increase voting lines in black communities, when they eliminate early voting on Sundays when the black churches did their mass early voting, and all of the countless tricks they did to attempt to reduce the African American impact on the vote... The Republicans were not trying to be Racists.
The Republicans did not truly care what color anyone was. They simply wanted to win.
But in the end, the net result is that they were racists and their actions were racist.

Intent is half of it. But effect is the other half.

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That's not racist. As others have said, it is a dick thing to do, but not racism. Racism requires that you are treating someone different according to their race because you believe that race is inferior to yours and/or other races.

Now, it could be considered negative racial stereotyping and/or prejudicial/biased behavior, but not racism.

One of my instructors told us that he always viewed racism as involving actual hate or at least contempt specifically toward a particular race, not the perceived/stereotyped actions of that race. It doesn't make treatment of people based on those perceptions right or something to be ignored or allowed to thrive, especially in a professional environment, school, work, etc.. But something isn't necessarily racist just because it involves a race or can be connected to a race in some negative way.

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Smeagol said:

Do you think opposing Puerto Rico statehood and/or targeting early voting days for closure to coincide with when a significant turnout from black voters show up in Churches buses on Sunday after church SPECIFICALLY because these minority groups vote democrat, is racist?

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We should cut Puerto Rico loose completely. The simple fact that they're not demanding independence makes them suspect. Puerto Rico is a luxury we can no longer afford.

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Smeagol said:

He never started a discussion board thread on race relations but with the technology available to him in his day Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr. brought his concerns of racial injustice to the spotlight and spoke of race relations way more than anyone I've seen discuss it online. Was Martin Luther King a racist for taking a leadership role in the Civil Rights Movement?

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I said people who start threads...as in the present tense...not 45+ years ago. Besides, there were no internet chat forums with threads 45+ years ago.

And I stand by what I typed. IMO, racism will never end so long as people keep thinking of people as 'races' and not as just 'people'.

You started the thread - that means you do think of people as 'races' (not that you are alone in that - the majority probably do as well...sadly).


Good day.

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Ray410 said:

We should cut Puerto Rico loose completely. The simple fact that they're not demanding independence makes them suspect. Puerto Rico is a luxury we can no longer afford.

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That's not going happen. Puerto Ricans are patriotic Americans who have fought and died in every American war since 1917. One of our Supreme Court Justices' parents were born in Puerto Rico. Another thing is most Puerto Ricans live on the US mainland now but have loved ones on the island. Independence would create immigration barriers that would adversely affect Puerto Ricans. Statehood is far more likely and I think probable.

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Lakeside said:

Voter suppression is nothing more than FOLKLORE from the likes of the Democratic Slave Plantation and the MSNBC HATE MACHINE.

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Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason... | www.palmbeachpost.com

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Smeagol said:

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law’s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason... | www.palmbeachpost.com

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Both of whom were ousted from the party. Looks like bad blood. I may have missed seeing it in the article, maybe you can show me who went to jail for this so called "voter suppression". Thanks.

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I have no problem with showing an ID to vote. But I do have a problem with the GOP trying to limit voting rights by curbing early voting and Sunday voting. The GOP hasn't helped their cause esp after that video came out of PA. The GOP does well with lower turnout (fact).The GOP needs a low turnout to be successful (my opinion).

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Lakeside said:

Both of whom were ousted from the party. Looks like bad blood. I may have missed seeing it in the article, maybe you can show me who went to jail for this so called "voter suppression". Thanks.

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Nobody went to jail for voter suppression. Reducing and eliminating early voting hours and days is completely legal. However, if why they were reduced or eliminated ever gets out, it likely will create a PR nightmare. Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer did go to jail on other unrelated charges. Former Gov. Charlie Crist to my knowledge left the Republican party on his own accord and I believe is running for Governor again.

Both of whom were ousted from the party. Looks like bad blood.

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I might have agreed with you however after both Greer and Crist left the GOP, the current republican governor and republican legislature followed the claims of this once alleged secret strategy to the letter in 2012 only to have it backfire in their faces on election day. BTW: I am a registered republican but unlike most people, I refuse to define right and wrong by whose team am I on where our guys always do the right thing and wrong is only wrong when their other guys do it.

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Everything and everyone is racist. Just ask Mark Cuban.

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DA60 said:

I said people who start threads...as in the present tense...not 45+ years ago. Besides, there were no internet chat forums with threads 45+ years ago.

And I stand by what I typed. IMO, racism will never end so long as people keep thinking of people as 'races' and not as just 'people'.

You started the thread - that means you do think of people as 'races' (not that you are alone in that - the majority probably do as well...sadly).


Good day.

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I know race relations is a difficult subject but I think in order to completely arrive at the place you and I both long to see, shenanigans like this need to be stopped and I don't think they can be unless they're discussed. We can have all the political correctness efforts in the world try to discourage their being addressed but all that will do is help some people ignore what other people see is a serious matters and will divide us. And don't be fooled like I was, there's plenty of political correctness that seeks to restrict speech through vilification they don't want others to discuss on both the left and the right, they're just over different issues.

In every generation since reconstruction there were some who considered race problems of the past ancient history. However, those affected have a different perspective and will act as if their perspective is true even if its not. In 2014 many in the GOP cannot for the life of them understand why its so hard for them to attract minority voters. My hope was maybe this discussion would offer some understanding and even if based on inaccurate perceptions, will at least give us some insights on how to address those misconceptions. And if there is truth to these claims maybe reassess whether they're good ideas that promote the best America we can have.

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Making voting harder for certain Ethnic groups, no matter the motive, is racist. It doesn't matter if it's hate fueled, if it singles out a race by definition it is considered racist.