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Has Obama been a good President?

Has Obama been a good President?

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US Conservative said:
Its like you are half-invested in the fail of liberalism. Its Obama, always has been, and weve known this for years.
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Sorry, but I am not understanding what you are talking about.
 
US Conservative said:
Tragically, yes or no are your choices, or we'd have one million choices. ;)
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Okay, I voted "Not American and Yes" then. He should have been more decisive in his actions if he wanted me to be more decisive too. Luckily he has Hillary. She compensates there where he falls I think.
 
DDD said:
Okay, I voted "Not American and Yes" then. He should have been more decisive in his actions if he wanted me to be more decisive too. Luckily he has Hillary. She compensates there where he falls I think.
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Very well, though she's been out since 2012, and her foreign policy has clearly been a disaster. That said, I respect your opinion.
 
US Conservative said:
You could argue that, until he was a senator Michelle had always been the bread winner. But from the perspective of an everyday American?
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They have proof that the American Dream is alive and kicking. ;)

Of course, in this case it might be kicking, where it hurts, but what the Hell. It is still full of life.
 
US Conservative said:
Its like you are half-invested in the fail of liberalism. Its Obama, always has been, and weve known this for years.
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Shorter: Everything Obama has ever said or done is the worst thing in the history of the Republic, no dissent permitted.

Why ask the question when you will flame any answer that differs from your own?
 
Kobie said:
It's his usual "libs are tards" nonsense.
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I'm growing weary of the *-tard crap. It's juvenile and adds nothing to the conversation other than confirming the user's bias.

(Not directed at you, directed at users of the term)
 
US Conservative said:
Orwell wrote about how this kind of politician was the most dangerous, because they can do so much more damage under the guise of "helping". I think if Bush had done all of this crap Obama is doing liberals would be screaming that it was the end of days.
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I just get really tired of the Left/Right stuff. We are all people, can't we just try and get along? :mrgreen: And really, a politician is a politician, left, right, center. I don't know how MUCH difference that really makes in the big picture. The key, for me, is to get a president who actually CARES about the country and knows what will work versus what is just unrealistic ideology.
 
TurtleDude said:
He and Carter are both fighting for the title of worst in my lifetime though some of the problems LBJ foisted on us have been horrendous
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As a self-identified "libertarian", you should be looking at daddy Bush above all others as the worst. He's the one who escalated the War on Drugs, ushered in a Drug Czar and probably single-handily assaulted personal freedom more than any other president since Abe Lincoln forced Americans to kill each other.

Just saying.
 
calamity said:
As a self-identified "libertarian", you should be looking at daddy Bush above all others as the worst. He's the one who escalated the War on Drugs, ushered in a Drug Czar and probably single-handily assaulted personal freedom more than any other president since Abe Lincoln forced Americans to kill each other.

Just saying.
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Actually, I would place that legacy on Reagan. Bush I just continued it.
 
He's not a good President, no. He may have done some good things, but he's been more bad than good. I think he's a terrible leader. Likeable guy, but terrible leader.
 
radcen said:
Actually, I would place that legacy on Reagan. Bush I just continued it.
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Fine line on when it actually began, but Bush definitely played a major role.
As early as 1982, Vice President George H. W. Bush and his aides began pushing for the involvement of the CIA and U.S. military in drug interdiction efforts.
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As for declaring war on American citizens, that began just as Reagan was stepping out.
The Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) was originally established by the National Narcotics Leadership Act of 1988,[34][35] which mandated a national anti-drug media campaign for youth, which would later become the National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign.[36] The director of ONDCP is commonly known as the Drug czar,[15] and it was first implemented in 1989 under President George H. W. Bush,[37] and raised to cabinet-level status by Bill Clinton in 1993.[citation needed] These activities were subsequently funded by the Treasury and General Government Appropriations Act of 1998.[38][39] The Drug-Free Media Campaign Act of 1998 codified the campaign at 21 U.S.C. § 1708.
War on Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Either way, for a self-identified Libertarian to argue that two recent D presidents were the worst while ignoring this assault on our freedom by a conservative president (or two) is rather telling. No?
 
ChrisL said:
I just get really tired of the Left/Right stuff. We are all people, can't we just try and get along? :mrgreen: And really, a politician is a politician, left, right, center. I don't know how MUCH difference that really makes in the big picture. The key, for me, is to get a president who actually CARES about the country and knows what will work versus what is just unrealistic ideology.
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There is a notable difference.....those on the left are pro-big government...those on the right are more in favor of the founders concept of limited government. However, my pet peeve is establishment politicians are either side. They are in it for the power trip and care a lot more about what the big donors have to say then the actual voters.
 
tres borrachos said:
He's not a good President, no. He may have done some good things, but he's been more bad than good. I think he's a terrible leader. Likeable guy, but terrible leader.
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Agreed. If likability or winning a popularity contest was what makes a good president, he might have a case, but his record speaks for itself.
 
ObamacareFail said:
There is a notable difference.....those on the left are pro-big government...those on the right are more in favor of the founders concept of limited government. However, my pet peeve is establishment politicians are either side. They are in it for the power trip and care a lot more about what the big donors have to say then the actual voters.
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Sure, there are differences, but both seem to want to take the country in directions I don't want to see it go in. There are those on the right who would like to see religion play a role in our government, ban certain things, etc. Then, there are those on the left who would like to pretty much extinguish religion and want to force the taxpayers to pay for all of their ideas, most of which would never work anyways.
 
US Conservative said:
Its 2014, and we now see the results of over 5 years of the Obama administration. POTUS is not only the executive in chief, he is also the leader of the nation and arguably the free world. His policies, especially if they are signed into law can have profound effects on citizens, as well as people of the world.


Has Obama been a good president to this point?

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He's been as good as Bush.
 
The OP Poll assumptions themselves demonstrate the problem with politics in the United States. I did not vote in the poll because there was no respondent available other than those who see Left/Right Politics as the only input to the question being asked.

There was no: I am fully independent non-party affiliated optimistic centrist who does not lean.

Parties and party affiliation have been the death nail of functional government. We no longer have functional government precisely because of extreme party dogma being supported, even when those extreme positions are bad for the country or not for the greater good of ALL American Citizens. To answer the central question without "leaning" in any direction the answer is a resounding, yes. This president has not only been a good president, he's been one of the most conscientious and thoughtful presidents that my generation has seen. And, under the massive weight of circumstance prior to entering office, he's also been the most productive president in my generation - relative to the fallen state of the union prior to his entering office. Did he achieve all of his campaign goals? No and no president would have under the same set of fallen state of the union conditions prior to entering office.

Under the pre-entry circumstances, what this president did achieve was nothing short of a miracle - especially given the extremist within the right wing who never had any pretense about supporting anything this president did, no matter how good it might have been for the country. The extremist have politicized anything and everything they could, in an attempt to cause this president to fail. In that regard, the extremists place politics ahead of the Citizens best interest. And, they continue to play politics with some of the most sensitive and important issues in America, as the exchange of Bergdhal for illegally detained Gitmo hostages suggests.

President Obama, has done a lot to restore at least some international dignity to our country as well. The previous administration under George W. Bush, was nothing short of a dictating cabal whose only interest was obtaining access to Iraqi oil, no matter how many lies they had to tell (and they told many) to get there. That administration caused the United States more international loss of integrity than anything a sitting U.S. president had done in quite a while prior.

I could run a list a mile long showing what this president has done that would more than qualify his presidency a resounding success in light of what the absolute mess the previous president left behind for him to clean up. So much so, that on this very board I used to call Obama, Janitor in Chief. Not as a derogatory term, but as a way of describing the garbage collection and waste handling this man has had to do, in order to at least try to restore some semblance of governmental stability in the wake of the outgoing George W. Bush, who in my opinion was THE worst president this nation has produced.

Success is not merely in the eyes of the beholder. Success is actually measurable. This president has been so successful that his extremist political antigens in Washington, have done absolutely nothing but criticize his every (solitary) move and every single executive measure the man has taken up as president.

What I don't like:

- He did not officially close Gitmo
- He took too long to press executive authority the people gave him when republicans showed no desire to work with him very early on
- He did not abandon the notion of Federal Government's electronic intrusion into the lives of American Citizens early enough
- He drew red lines in the sand publicly while not doing a good enough job in explaining why he changed course (which was the right thing to do)

Overall, however, this has been a very successful president given the conditions he found extant when taking office. He's been thoughtful, intelligent, articulate, aware, conscious, well reasoned, consistent and as reliable as any modern president can be with a completely dysfunctional congress.
 
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