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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not denying that there are SOME groups out there that would definitely hate Obama because of his color. We are all well aware that those white supremacy groups do in fact exist. However, I'm pretty sure they make up a relatively SMALL minority of those who disagree with Obama policies.
    Your original question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    Again, the obvious answer is YES, and it is due in large measure because the intensity of the hate is caused by racism expressed by the right wing.


    Most of the people who disagree with him do so for legitimate reasons that have nothing to do with the fact that he is a black man.
    I would venture that many of those do not have a level of feeling reaching what would be described as "hate". Hate is very high level of irrationalism.

    In fact, a lot of the dissatisfaction comes from the left.
    Are you seriously going to say that a lot of the left HATE Obama with the same intensity as the right wing?

    Some liberals are very disappointed in Obama too.
    But don't hate him......you are forgetting what you asked.

    Surely, no one can be so dense as to believe it is due to his skin color in today's United States of America?
    Straw, I never said those that are "disappointed" with Obama are racists, you are moving the goal post on your own question......but then you seem to thrive on dishonest discussion.

    Your question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    Don't try to change what you asked, it remains on the page.







    It's pretty obvious by this statement above that you harbor quite a bit of hatred yourself. Pot meet kettle.
    I am proud to admit that I have very strong, intense dislike for right wing extremism, I dislike the ideology, the authoritarianism of it and have studied it to understand it for years. It is a great domestic threat to the Constitution, our Democracy and it has a strong foothold in the US and its psyche.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Your original question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    Again, the obvious answer is YES, and it is due in large measure because the intensity of the hate is caused by racism expressed by the right wing.


    I would venture that many of those do not have a level of feeling reaching what would be described as "hate". Hate is very high level of irrationalism.

    Are you seriously going to say that a lot of the left HATE Obama with the same intensity as the right wing?

    But don't hate him......you are forgetting what you asked.

    Straw, I never said those that are "disappointed" with Obama are racists, you are moving the goal post on your own question......but then you seem to thrive on dishonest discussion.

    Your question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    Don't try to change what you asked, it remains on the page.







    I am proud to admit that I have very strong, intense dislike for right wing extremism, I dislike the ideology, the authoritarianism of it and have studied it to understand it for years. It is a great domestic threat to the Constitution, our Democracy and it has a strong foothold in the US and its psyche.
    Oh really? And what special instrument are you using to gauge intensity levels of people's personal hatred for another? What a silly claim.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh really? And what special instrument are you using to gauge intensity levels of people's personal hatred for another? What a silly claim.
    Wait a minute.....you originally asked:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    and YOU answered your own question with:

    " I don't think so"

    So lets work this out together, you have made a determination of the level of hatred using SOME kind of measure and found that the hate is not as intense......but somehow, I, me, cannot POSSIBLELY have some kind of "special instrument" for measuring this hatred.

    Apparently, you seem to think you have a lock on such measurements. Apparently I can turn around and ask you, snidely:

    What special instrument are you using to gauge intensity levels of people's personal hatred for another?

    So again, cut the crap, stop with the dishonest and hypocritical posting.

    We can and do have methods of identifying hate groups, we can monitor where they are, we can look at their websites to see the traffic, we can monitor tweets......there are lots of ways to measure not only the LEVEL.....but the INTENSITY.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    I could not respond to the poll, because I am a moderate american. I am fiscally conservative, socially progressive. I lean right on some issues, and left on others. I'll give Obama a B so far. I'll keep watching to see how Obamacare turns out in a couple of years. It's too soon to tell IMO.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wait a minute.....you originally asked:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    and YOU answered your own question with:

    " I don't think so"

    So lets work this out together, you have made a determination of the level of hatred using SOME kind of measure and found that the hate is not as intense......but somehow, I, me, cannot POSSIBLELY have some kind of "special instrument" for measuring this hatred.

    Apparently, you seem to think you have a lock on such measurements. Apparently I can turn around and ask you, snidely:

    What special instrument are you using to gauge intensity levels of people's personal hatred for another?

    So again, cut the crap, stop with the dishonest and hypocritical posting.

    We can and do have methods of identifying hate groups, we can monitor where they are, we can look at their websites to see the traffic, we can monitor tweets......there are lots of ways to measure not only the LEVEL.....but the INTENSITY.
    That's because, as I stated before, the media hatred for GWB. They absolutely fawned over BHO for the most part. That is just the truth, so in actuality, we heard a lot MORE about the hatred for Bush from the left on the news and by pundits constantly IMO.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's because, as I stated before, the media hatred for GWB. They absolutely fawned over BHO for the most part. That is just the truth, so in actuality, we heard a lot MORE about the hatred for Bush from the left on the news and by pundits constantly IMO.
    Again, YOUR question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    and YOUR "special instrument".....is now "the media".......whereas up to now, we have been talking primarily about PEOPLE, all Americans.

    Do you seriously think that "the media" is a true representation of the HATRED a portion of America has for Presidents?

    Do you really think "the media" is a "special instrument" that accurately reflects the amount of hatred some Americans feel for a POTUS?

    I don't.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, YOUR question was:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    and YOUR "special instrument".....is now "the media".......whereas up to now, we have been talking primarily about PEOPLE, all Americans.

    Do you seriously think that "the media" is a true representation of the HATRED a portion of America has for Presidents?

    Do you really think "the media" is a "special instrument" that accurately reflects the amount of hatred some Americans feel for a POTUS?

    I don't.
    They totally fuel the fires of hatred, yes. Many, many people are influenced by what they hear on their news programs.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    I really can't vote in the poll, because there is no answer to where I stand on this.

    It's all relative, if you ask me - compared to what we've had in MY past (ie: guys like Reagan, Bush senior, etc.), I'd have to say no.

    However, if things go the way I think they will go in the not too distant future of my lifetime (in 20-30 years, say), I'd answer yes. Personally, I believe that we'll all be begging for Obama in the relatively near future. I hope I'm wrong....

    Call me an optimistic pessimist or whatever, but that is where I stand on this.

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    I have to say that, in light of the newest events that have occurred in Iraq, my opinion of President Obama is even worse now. Did he have NO IDEA that any of this was going to occur? Were there were no warnings?

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    Re: Has Obama been a good President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    They totally fuel the fires of hatred, yes. Many, many people are influenced by what they hear on their news programs.
    Sure, they can....but again, how is that manifest in society? Did the media create the large numbers of right wing militias, right-wing hate groups?

    No.

    Again, your question:

    (is) the hate for Obama is more than it was for Bush?

    and the conversation surrounding it, the context, was about how much people hate these 2 POTUS's. The punditry exists on both sides, the intense personal dislike by Americans of Obama exceeds what was expressed for Bush. We did not have large numbers of displays of guns and rifles by left-wing protesters during the Bush terms.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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